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Do projectors really have to wait for invitations? Any projectors out there with comments on this?


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Invited Projectors at the office

Its been quite a while since I last posted in this thread and have since gone through the office that I occaisionally work in and done charts for almost everyone. The one person that has invited 2 of the projectors was one of the few I didn't get a chart done for. The fellow (president) that hired me is a generator with emotional authority, 7 defined centers, split definition.

What I find finally makes some sense now is how I have sat in on meetings with him and always been amazed at how he summarizes what has been covered and establishes a direction for subsequent work that I would never have arrived at - he has channel 64-47 defined, along with gate 24 and channel 43-23. While I also have channel 43-23 defined, I have gate 4 defined so I can see now that he has an individual abstract mind rather than my individual logical mind. Interesting similarities and interesting differences. Also his profile is 4/1 Opportunistic Investigator with incarnation cross of Juxtaposition Cross of Strategy - no wonder we see things so differently :!:

I am also drawn to the interactions between people. I nearly always look to see what kinds of composites are formed between the couples I know and the friends I know. I recently reconnected with a former classmate from Massage Therapy classes and told her about my current preoccupation with Human Design and she said that she wanted to learn more about it and we exchanged email addresses. I didn't expect anything to come of it - too many past disappointments from unrealistiic expectations - so was pleasantly surprised when she did contact me by email. Since then we have met a couple of times for tea - and the questions were endless! She is also a projector but with head-ajna 63-4 and throat-G 31-7 + 33-13 definitions - so a split definition.

She has more friends than I do - and I can see why now as nearly all of the split definition people I encounter have lots of people in their lives. And we form an 8-1 composite :D - as I did with my ex-wife and do with my current best friend.

It takes me a while to get the mental pressure to subside after being with her - I keep on having a conversation with her in my head for a couple of hours. She also referred one of her massage clients to me to find out about Human Design. Her client was very interesting indeed - only head-ajna defined through 63-4 with lots of gates pointing out of her throat center - and I talked to her for 3+ hours and again kept talking to her in my head for hours after we met!

As Ed said in the reading he gave me, people can really crank up my throat! And when they do, I wind up with all of this mental activity and am learning to do lots of walking to unwind.

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Craig

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Ann Kelly
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Gravity and all the other natural laws work whether we know about them or not. The same goes for human design.

After reading the posting from Carnac I am curious about the person who did all that inviting of the projectors. Any chance of knowing their design?

It is fascinating to hear of interactions of other people. I personally feel drawn to studying interactions rather than charts of individuals, it is the background that creates the most interest for me; and how we cope with these interactions. Please keep the stories coming . . .

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camac
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waiting and not waiting

I am new to Human Design (started learning about it in February) and have become somewhat obsessed about learning the mechanics. So far I have talked to about a dozen coworkers where I work about Human Design and have done charts for those people I have spoken to. I have been very surprised to find that the split is about 50-50 between projectors and generators. So far everyone has found it interesting and I have been 'invited' to do a noon hour workshop on it (after I had thought about offering to give a workshop). In talking to all of these other projectors, I found another mental projector (with head, Ajna, and Throat defined - I have only Ajna and Throat defined) with the same 4/6 profile as me. About a week after I talked to him about his design and how similar our designs are, I had the idea of getting to know him a bit better to see what his experience has been so far - he is around 25 years old.

In attempting to stick to my strategy, I was at a loss as to who makes the first invitation. I finally invited him to get together for coffee and found he was also interested in getting together to find out more about Human Design and my experiences. I am still curious as to whether or not I now need to wait for him to make a reciprocal invitation in order to develop a friendship. I suspect, based on my current basic and possibly naive understanding of relationships from the Human Design perspective, that there is not all that much grounds for friendship as together we only further define the spleen and solar plexus centers. This is in contrast to my current best friend who has solar plexus, sacral, spleen, and throat defined and (time of birth is not quite certain) possibly root center who together we define G, heart, and root centers. Also my about-to-be former wife is a projector with only root and solar plexus centers defined who together with me defined sacral, spleen, heart, and G centers with single definition. The experience of becoming friends/lovers with her was quite comical in retrospect but incredibly awkward at the time as neither of us were comfortable with initiating the relationship but at the same time there was this inexplicable (at the time) attraction.

While I haven't truly been through a 3.5 year deconditioning process of following my strategy, I was invited to work where I currently work and the only friend I spend significant amounts of time with invited me to be friends after we worked at the same company a several years ago. Until last year there were no other people that I spent any significant amount of time with. Then I was assigned an office mate and unknowingly became subject to his definition and he to mine. By around April, I went on a buying spree and while I acknowledged that this behaviour was uncharacteristic compared to what my sister and my psychologist had known before, my psychologist acknowledged that I may actually be allowing my true self to emerge. Now that I have a new office mate and have experienced another person's definition in close quarters for a couple of months and have begun learning about Human Design, I can start to make sense of the experiences I have had over the past year or so. While my former office mate was also a projector but with Throat, Heart, Spleen, and G defined, my current office mate has everything but root defined. I do not spend any time in my office as a result now - I am sensitive to her emotional solar plexus and dislike the effects that I experience when I am around her.

As an interesting side note, as far as I know, at least 3 other projectors besides myself were invited to work where I currently work.

Thanks for the outlet and any comments.

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Craig

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Inga Jensen
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Projectors and invitations

Hi, it is good to know of other emotional projectors out there, a sense of comradeship and relief.
Invitations Yes, yes yes. I am a pure individual and have always felt
like an outsider in any type of groups, even in my own family when
growing up. And I never understood why I felt so alone even around people. Since comming into HD, going into third year next month, I have realised some things about invitations. On many occasions I would speak or act at inappropriate times, be spontanious and the not self desperately trying to profe itself only to meet resistance and a deep dive into selfjudgement and paranoia,eg. that was a stupid thing to do or say etc. However, that is one part of invitations,about when to be invited to express oneself, (I am not referring to situations when you are with close friends or close family who know you are a bit wacky anyway and accept you as you are, sort of now when I have explained HD for them). However, I have experienced now that if I feel like talking to someone or anitiate a conversation I symply say hello or good morning etc, and or simply wait for them to come to me, patience is the golden key for a projector especially an emotional one. I love discovering now how HD works, and experimenting with my strategy. If I am invited out to something I can't give an immediate answer, I have to sleep on it,(def solarpl) because if I do I will change my mind (open) quite a few times before I reach a clear feeling of wheather I want to go or not, or whether I am meant to go or not. If I do say yes (29) and be spontanious (open spleen), the following day I may feel really bad and want to change my mind only to irritate and confuse the other, and build up of guilt etc.
I can invite myself of course to go out to things and I invite other people out to things, but only when I have mulled it over for a while after having the initial inspiration or idea. I would say that invitations when talking about projectors is about the crucial things in life, like Lovers, friends, jobs where to live, places etc. It also depends on the individuals' design as well how these things operate on their level. For me as a projector, everything in my life is about the other, I am an unconscious emotional split, so being patient and wait out my wave in order to have the right people in my life, to have the experiences I am supposed to have on this planet this time around, invitations are very important, otherwise, well who knows.

I hope I haven't made this longwinded and boring, but I enjoyed writing this clause and hope it has given a bit of something to another projector or anyone who would like to understand projectors more.
Love to All (15)

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SAGA


jjpiedra
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Hi proyector guest,
My experience is that I must wait for everything. HD help my to understand that is natural and every day is a little step to accept, relax, and enjoy while I ‘m waiting.

I agree with you about the liberation that we feel when we know that we are 20% of the population, very different from 70% of generators. We feel statistically legitimated to relax, wait and see. :-)

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I'm a projector - no motors, just head, throat, self. I've been at design for 4 years - 3 as an analyst, I don't think it matters a whole lot whether or not we wait for an invitation - UNLESS we are attached to the outcome. I do what I do and let the world do with that what it wants.

For me the best part of the Projector knowledge was that I'm not lazy, as some thought, I'm just not driven the way so many people seem to be.

I have always marveled at the immense amount of time my generator friends spend at activity and long before HDS knowledge I wondered why bother? What's so important about being in motion?


jjpiedra
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wait, and forget you are waiting for

:wink: Nice to meet you Joanne

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Human By Design
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Waiting for Invitations

Dear Piedra,
A lovely description, I am also an emotional projector - three years into my process and some times wonder what I have got myself into. Although learning to be patient and not being spontaneous have been liberating. I still jump from my 29th gate sometimes and say Yes too quickly but on the whole it has been good waiting.

Gennaro gave me youn email and web address so may be in contact soon if that's okay with you.
Joanne 4/6 projector

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wait for invitation

I am emotional projector, and throughout my life I have undergone the impotence and the frustration to want and not to be able, to try and not to reach, to look for and not to find, with the amount of effort and energy wasted associated. My better memories are what it was so easy, that did not cost anything to me, because they invited to me. Without a doubt, it is worth the trouble to wait for the invitation. But so that delay not is heavy load, so that you forget that you are waiting for, you must do something, (that is not to persecute the invitation or that tries to shorten the time of delay), something that you like, to spend the short while, "to live" for example, to walk, to eat, to work, to make love, to study…


FriendlyHermit
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Projector invitations

Unfortunately I don't speak or read Spanish, and I would love to know what you said, Piedra.

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wait for invitation

Soy proyector, y durante todo mi vida he sufrido la impotencia y la frustración de querer y no poder, avancar y no alcanzar, buscar y no encontrar, con la cantidad de esfuerzo y desgate asociado. Mis mejores recuerdos son de aquello que resultó tan fácil, que no me costó nada, porque me invitaron. Sin duda, merece la pena esperar la invitación. Pero para que la espera no sea una pesada carga, para que te olvides de que estás esperando tienes que hacer algo, (que no sea perseguir la invitación o que intente acortar el tiempo de espera), algo que te guste, para pasar el rato, "vivir" por ejemplo, pasear, comer, trabajar, hacer el amor, estudiar...


teresa kay
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Dear Craig

I just listened to the Ra cd on Manifesting Generators
he said 20/34 need 43/23's as a guide
my boyfriend who is the same as you
4/6 projector
has just recently opened up a tad about human design
He can't be told anything....is what he has been saying all these years
and now after listening to ra's projector cd
i am more understanding

I am looking for help for myself and for how to better help him
I'd love to introduce him to you
maybe invite him in a way that works
rrrrrr?
Me Need Guide!!!
thanks
didn't know where else to start
I've had a couple of readings over the phone
but i now see that i have the thing that makes it so
i can get easily conditioned over the phone etc....
basically
im crying out for help
miss
tko


camac
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Hi tko

I have a friend who has 20/34/57 so I found it rather interesting to learn that my 43/23 can be helpful to him. He is not really open to Human Design possibly partly due to the way I tried to push it on him back a few years ago. Since then I have gone through enough de-conditioning that my true self started to emerge last summer.

Your call for help is understandable and I would like to help but I am unclear as to what you would like help with.

As for your friend, since he is also 43/23 it may be helpful to know that that gate 43 is one of the gates of deafness. I can be pretty deaf to people trying to tell me things especially if I haven't asked them to. I also have gate 13 the listener so there is a bit of balance as a result.

Fundamentally, your friend has to ask for help before you can help him in some way. Usually this occurs on its own when he is ready and can be stimulated though examples. For instance, if you find Human Design helpful, then using your strategy and inner authority to transform your life will demonstrate the value of HD to others. I realize the excitement of finding an interesting system can lead to 'evangelism' as I went through that phase myself.

What is your design other than the 20/34? Also what was it that said you are easily conditioned by phone? Do you want help in learning how your inner authority works? Are you really open to guidance? Your friend can help you by asking yes/no questions that you can respond to using your inner authority. That is how the 43/23 can really be of assistance to the 20/34. Basically the same goes for anyone but especially projectors. We have to learn to ask questions and only really if invited or if the other person responds affirmatively to an offer of assistance.

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Craig

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