What are the "emotions" of the solar plexus? | HumanDesign.com

ssweet
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I'm wondering what the emotions are that HD refers to in regard to the solar plexus.

The wikipedia has an extensive list of emotions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emotions

For instance, Book Two of Aristotle's Rhetoric lists these emotions:

* Anger vs. Calmness
* Love vs. Enmity
* Fear vs. Confidence
* Shame vs. Shamelessness
* Kindness vs. Unkindness
* Pity
* Indignation
* Envy

I have a defined solar plexus, and I certainly experience these emotions, but doesn't just about everybody? The HD literature itself speak of the seven fears of the splenic center. My guess is that almost anyone who encounters a mountain lion while hiking is going to experience some fear, defined solar plexus or not. And there are probably similar things that can elicit an anger response in most people.

So what makes life for those with a defined solar plexus different from those with an undefined solar plexus?

I'm fairly new to HD, but one guess I have is that the answer has something to do with the solar plexus being a motor. Perhaps this motor gives the emotions a life of their own for someone with a defined solar plexus. Maybe it's something like a movie with a musical score that seems to propel the story line. Is life for someone with an undefined solar plexus like a movie without an overarching soundtrack?

Another possibility is that we're looking at a certain range of emotions in the solar plexus, i.e. hope and despair. Maybe we're even looking at layers of emotions--I've noticed that in my hopeful times I can experience anger, fear, and love, just as in times of despair I can experience anger, fear and love.

Just some thoughts. I'll be glad to hear what others think. (including those with more HD experience than I)

Stephen

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While fixed emotional center people have a predisposition to their feelings, open center people, like myself, are more affected by the neutreno stream, and thusly, can be tossed about regardless of whether they are close to another person with a fixed emotional center or not.

Cuervo:
I wonder of something like Sheldrake's m-fields might also enter into this. Perhaps because enough people have had a certain kind of feeling-reaction to certain kinds of events, more people will be inclined to have that kind of reaction in the future. So, this would be an influence as well--not only are people influenced by the general neutrino activity of the present, but also neutrino activity and patterns from the past. Perhaps open center folks will respond to these "m-fields" differently than defined center folks.

I'm also wondering now about the emotional response of animals, in particular mammals. My understanding is that they don't have a defined solar plexus, but any pet owner knows that animals can at least appear to be quite emotional.

I'm not saying there's nothing to this whole solar plexus/emotion thing--I'm just trying to get a better idea of what the difference is for defined/open solar plexus types.

Stephen

cuervo
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it occurs to me that, because we are all immersed in a neutrino stream, our emotional responses are affected by the nature of the stream, which in turn, is affected by the planetary positions, esp. the Earth and the Sun. While fixed emotional center people have a predisposition to their feelings, open center people, like myself, are more affected by the neutreno stream, and thusly, can be tossed about regardless of whether they are close to another person with a fixed emotional center or not.

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hola_461
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Sweet,

I agree with you. I was thinking kind of similar thing after a while, a cause of Beemala explanation of differente fears and a cause of christine spleen reaction and so on.

If we have different kind of fears depending on the center, we will also have, as you say, different kinds of sensations, experiences or whathever the way of naming them, (for not saying emotions) that come from different centers. Different awareness of being alive coming who knows where from.

So, my feeling or my inner knowledge of satisfaction or not satisfaction may not come from my solar plexus, and may not be an emotion, but it is something very clear, and i know when i am satisfied and when i am not

And my anger it comes very clear, who knows where from, when i am not getting what i want to get. Even in a desert island.

And when I am happy, I know I am happy

Well I am not making sense now...

ssweet
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hola_461 wrote:

2) Also, we all have a major theme depending on our type. I am MANIFESTOR, my theme is ANGER. GENERATOR´s theme is FRUSTRATION, and projectors & reflectors I forgot, but we all have that theme if we are not doing all right. And what is that theme, other than a FEELING? What is ANGER if is not "A feeling", or Frustation, and so on. And that is general for every type, including EMOTIONAL & NOT EMOTIONAL BEINGS.

Angela:

This is what has me a little confused also. If you, as a Manifestor with an open solar plexus, were alone on a desert island, would you still experience your thematic anger? If so, is your anger, as an open solar plexus, going to be a little different from my anger, as a defined solar plexus?

Stephen

ssweet
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Beemalchik:

Thank you for your detailed reply...there's much to think about here (and I have the 63/4 defined).

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And – by the way – all three Centers have its own fears: Spleen give us possibility to experience consciousness through the fears of the body, fears of surviving or not, SP – emotional fears, which are called in Human Design nervousness and Ajna – mental fears, which are called mental anxieties.

It does sound as though most of us have feelings, such as the fears you describe for the three Awareness Centers. And there's also the thematic Frustration of the Generator, and the Anger of the Manifestor, etc. Then also there is the Love that is associated with the G center. I wonder if maybe we all experience those feelings (I'm avoiding the word "emotions") but maybe the thematic anger experienced by a Manifestor with a defined solar plexus is going to be different from the anger experienced by a Manifestor with an open solar plexus. Likewise, maybe survival (splenic) fear is going to be different for those with an open as opposed to defined solar plexus.

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At the same time it is very important to keep in the mind, that ALL things, connected with Solar Plexus, have kind of duality, because of the nature of this motor, - nature of wave frequency.

Maybe the wave is key...an undefined solar plexus may experience survival (splenic) fear, but it comes and goes depending on conditioning. A defined solar plexus maybe experiences that same survival fear, but then maybe it is affected somehow by the solar plexus wave.

There is a lot to wrap my mind (and awareness) around with this!

Stephen

hola_461
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Yes it does Christine. Thank you for your answer. I want to reply longer but i am at work & i cannot now, i will later.. (where are you from?)

Also thank you to yours Beemala (although i can not say it was as useful....je je joke, ..you´ve got a difficult name though,.. sorry for the confusion anyhow..)

Christine Jensen
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Hello Angela,
I empathize with your process. As a gateless solar plex, I've done an immense amount of questioning about the emotional field for the last 7 years since human design. The deconditioning that I have experienced has only occurred since HD explained to me that I (we) all have emotions, it is just that for the undefined solar plex, these emotions are not a reliable source for decisions. In fact, our emotions are a product of the impact of other's emotional frequencies, and our attempts to balance the field because we identify to the freqencies and take them on as if it is our own experience. Biological processes in the brain of neurological chemical transmissions (which are substances associated with DNA complexes) become patterned responses with repetitive behavior. In other word, when we are exposed to and react to certain stimuli over a period of time, we become automated in our reactions, and the behavior SEEMS like a natural reaction after a period of time--when essentially, we have actually become programmed to react a certain way according to these brain function patterns. An example is like after the repetitive use of psychoactive drugs, the brain can only neurotransmitt dopamine if the drug is used. The natural neurotransmission of dopamine has been damaged and is dependent on the drug to stimulate transmission. Dopamine is the feel good chemical associated to survival mechanisms in the brain. I mostly associate this with the splenic center's functions. I have an open spleen, therefore, I was a splenic energy addict most of my life. There are DNA complexes associated with every gate. Conditioning is any distortion of the natural chemical flow through the identification of stimuli that isn't present in our own process. A high end of the wave emotional frequency can really give a charge to an undefined solar plex. Consider being around a person consistently that charges you up that way, and then consider your identification as to how YOU think YOU feel as though it's your emotional high. It is a downer when it is gone. There is a withdrawal so to speak. Whatever expectations you hoped for and believed in (the nature of the sensing curcuitry) have left you flat. Emotionally flat is actually your natural function. So the key is to identify the emotional field, but not as your own, but as a charge that you can empathize with and even ride for a while, but don't base the prospects of hope or pain on it and make decisions because of it, because it is unreliable and inconsistent for your process. The sensing curcuit is about the past, and dissappointments over the emotional process is the not-self way of being dependent on emotions for fulfillment. Your fulfillments come from your defined design. Does this help?
Christine

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for Christina

yes Christina, you did help me...a lot!

your explanation makes the most sense to me since you explained how an undefined SP (like myself) gets emotional even when I am alone.
saying that I get influenced by emotionally defined people when I am in their presence only looks to me as a false statement, since I get very emotional even when I am alone, too.
so, thanks so much for your explanation becasue it makes lots of sense to me.

now, I want to add something to this picture that does not contradict at all what you say. I hope it excites you, too.
here I go:
I've got "my own" emotional patterns, which are indeed acquired, but non the less I want to call them "my own" in order to make clear that these patterns repeat themselves cyclically and are so very mine according to my conscious awareness.
This pattern is always the same and it repeats itself endlessly in my life.
It is a pattern where I slowly get depressed.
It looks very much as this "wave" described in HD, because it is cyclical.
Now the interesting part: with the passing of years I have found a way to get myself out of this wave.
Here it is what I do:
I go and get consciously out of this dimension we live in (I have my own method of doing so)and when I do so I always find out something I need to find out ( a learning of a sort) for my own evolution.
After doing so, I am no longer in the "wave".

If I do not actively engage in this activity, my depression will always bring me to a state where I encounter an unpleasant experience with somebody. Then, I will go through a "cathartic learning" of a sort.
Would that learning be the same one I could have found out if I were to engage in out-of-this-dimension experiences?
I can never know that because I either do one thing or the other. But I believe that they could be related, but they are totally different since one learning is coming out of a perceived positive experience and the other out of a perceived "negative experience".

Due to this pattern I've got several theories:
1- I do get engaged in an "emotional wave" which could be of somebody else (because I am SP undefined), if HD is correct.
2- I however can definitely get out of that wave when I practice some activity.
3- The definition of the centers in HD is certainly something of this dimension. As result, it is pssible to alter the mechanics of the conditioning by consciously getting out of this dimension.
IN few words, I -with an undefined SP- can break free from the collective wave.... for a while..until it catches up with me, again.
4- I believe that the depression point of the SP wave is a point of evolutionary learning for those who are open to it.

ruthrelf
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Emotions and the Solar Plexus

I feel that Sweet made some very good observations about the defined/undefined solar plexus.

I also find Christine's response very interesting as it echoes my own experience and my thoughts about emotions thus far in my process. I would only add that I feel that I feel that our conditioned emotional responses can be stored in many places in our body, as well as in our neural patterns. Of course it is all tied together as our brain and body operate as one big feedback loop. My experience has been that body work can assist in releasing these old patterns. The great thing with HD is that when that happens you know what to do with them. I am undefined emotionally but have felt that body work has sometimes 'released' an emotion, or rather the chemistry that underlies a certain emotion. With HD I know that it is just conditioning and I can let it go. I don't have to 'work out' where it came from or what it means. I feel that this applies equally to emotionally defined people as there patterns are often one of suppressing emotion rather than letting it out (becuase letting it out can be socially unacceptable).

Christine also mentioned the simple rule - defined solar plexus' experience a reliable, ongoing, cyclic body chemistry that is constantly changing the way they look and react to life. For undefined solar plexus' emotional chemistry is experienced erratically, unreliably, and is never their own.

In theory, those of us with an open solar plexus would be 'cool' or flat emotionally all the time. But we are affected by the aura's of those around us, and by the transit field (transiting planets) which at any time can hook us up to one type of emotional energy or the other. The different types of emotional energy do seem to feel different - individual energy can be wonderfully social and romantic and then suddenly it's not there; collective emotional energy can just feel good and better and then crash into a crisis of feeling; and I find tribal emotional energy can take you from feeling good about the world and your place in it to deep despair.

I have also wondered of late whether, through the neutrino field, that open emotional centers can be put off balance by the general chaotic emotional field of the world (since 50% of humanity is emotionally defined) even if you are not being affected by the transit field and/or are alone in your aura.

So undefined emotional centres do get to experience a lot of emotions, often more so than defined solar plexus' who are fixed into a particular way of being most of the time. Whatever emotions we get hooked into intensify the FRUSTRATION, ANGER or DISAPPOINTMENT of the not-self strategy.

SuperProjector - if I remember you have nearly all the head/ajna & ajna/throat channels, perhaps this wave is the melancholy of the individual 43/23 or 61/24 and your way of getting yourself out of this energy by consciously focusing on another dimension is your way of using this energy creatively and thus riding it out?

Warm Regards

Ruth

4/6 Generator, RAX Vessel of Love

superprojector
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for ruth

you know what dear...
that you are so right....after I wrote that post it came to "my" mind that what was happening to me was what you precisely described:
the melancholy....
so I do believe now you are so right, because I've got lots of individual definitions...
so thanks so much, since reading yur post right now confirms me like a flash that that's what happens to me.
Thanks!

Beemalchik
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Ha-ha-ha! Thank you, dear!

I got big pleasure, guessing, who is "Beechmalkid"!!! (anyway, better than "bitch-malkid" - he-he!)

Sure, Manifestors always want, what they want. But - what to do! - Generators at last have their way to decide, if they would like to do what Manifestors want...

If you are interesting in my respond - sorry - I have no what to say... now...

best wishes-

Beemala

hola_461
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Hello Beechmalkid & Sweet:

Two things:

1) I am also not emotional (as you B.) and I do not have the same experience. I´ve been alone (lonely, on my own) all this weekend, & I have felt verty unhappy, very depressed, very miserable, and with anger and rage to myself and to my life. And I repeat I was on my own. Nobody was around. No other emotional or solar plexus around. And Feelings were there.

2) Also, we all have a major theme depending on our type. I am MANIFESTOR, my theme is ANGER. GENERATOR´s theme is FRUSTRATION, and projectors & reflectors I forgot, but we all have that theme if we are not doing all right. And what is that theme, other than a FEELING? What is ANGER if is not "A feeling", or Frustation, and so on. And that is general for every type, including EMOTIONAL & NOT EMOTIONAL BEINGS.

I would love an answer.
Regards

Angela

Beemalchik
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Hello, ssweet!

There are some thoughts as a respond to your post:

1. First, what I have responded – was the list of emotions from “Ar.’s Book”.

Here we can see the soup of all things, which human beings can experience by its selfreflected consciousness. With knowing HD, we can see, that this stuff could be differentiated according to three different Centers of Consciousness, because all, what we can experience consciously in our bodies is connected with the work of Ajna, Spleen and SP.

And – by the way – all three Centers have its own fears: Spleen give us possibility to experience consciousness through the fears of the body, fears of surviving or not, SP – emotional fears, which are called in Human Design nervousness and Ajna – mental fears, which are called mental anxieties. (For more detail information – look into LD Manual).

2. As to emotions. Looking on the Bodygraph, easy to see, that we have three themes (of so-called “emotions”), connected with three Circuits – Tribal, Abstract and Individual. In order to differentiate “emotions” of different Circuits we have different terminology. For Tribal “emotions” we use term “sensitivity”, for Collective Abstract “emotions” we use term “feelings” and for Individual – “emotions”. HD describes vast picture of conscious things, which we call “emotions”, “feelings”.

At the same time it is very important to keep in the mind, that ALL things, connected with Solar Plexus, have kind of duality, because of the nature of this motor, - nature of wave frequency.

So, ANY feeling or whatever we understand about this – have in our consciousness the knowing or understanding of so-called “pleasant, joyful” things, and so-called “unpleasant”, “dark”, or any term, which we could use according our culture, mentality, educational level.

3. “So what makes life for those with a defined solar plexus different from those with an undefined solar plexus?”

It is VERY good question!!
We all have all in our lives. Ra teaches us “genetic continuity”. WE all are one body, called “humanity”. In our illusion of separateness each of us is a cell of big body. Sure, as every cell of our own bodies, which content whole genetic code and at the same time has unique manifestation and unique goal, each of us also has unique special programme, coordinated with global programme of wholeness. And in our specifications 50% of humanity are here “to produce” energy of emotions, which is really one type of fuel to move us, and 50% of humanity have no such type of fuel and are not equipped to be moved by this energy. Because of ignorance of our mechanics (and this epoch of ignorance is coming to the end) and because of evolutionally happened state of homogenization and ununiquiness of each human, it seemed that we are all the “equal” and “similar”. But we are not.

People with defined Solar Plexus are here to be moved by this energy, and because of wave frequency of this motor, they have very special Authority for making decisions.

All another people are absolutely dependent in WHAT and HOW they feel themselves emotionally from emotionally defined people. They are pulled into pain or annoying, or anger, or sadness, or joy, or rapture, or pleasure by energy of defined Solar Plexus! EVERY MOMENT of their life, when they are not alone!!!!!… It is something to think about….

I tell you as emotionally open being: Oh! It is horrible!!!!
This awful messy of feeling myself in good mood (in somebody’s high end of the wave) and suddenly (stepping into aura of another SP) in bad mood – then in good mood, then – in bad… and so on and so during 35 years of my life till I have met one day HD with simple and truly explanation of the mechanics of things….

It is quite easy to grasp what is open SP: they are mirrors of defined SP. That is all. Miracle mirrors, which reflect and amplify reflection at the same time. That is all…

Best regards-
Beemala