HELLO ONE AND ALL. I AM A PROJECTOR AND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER PROJECTORS ON THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH DESIGN. WHAT IS IT LIKE FOR YOU IN THE BUZZ OF ALL THIS ENERGY? HOW DO YOU RELATE TO YOUR OPEN SACRAL? AS PROJECTORS, WE ARE HERE TO GO DEEP IN THE STUDY OF DESIGN. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU SO THAT MY STUDY INTO THE OTHER GOES DEEPER. I INVITE YOU TO SHARE YOUR MIND WITH ME. THANKS, JON LEFFINGWELL. 1/3 CROSS OF TENSION(2) :mrgreen:
update on my garage sale
Well saturday I had a yard sale. It was sucessful and very fun. Also mars just transited into 45.1 and I have 45 twice in my personality sun and also personality venus. It was great to see all those material goods displayed for sale and disributed amongst the community. I especially enjoyed selling all of my books. I had years of art books/ massage books and other various new age books. As well as outdoorsy types of books.
I am noticing more layers of "stuff" that is so unnecessary in my life.
I am really enjoying the process these days. Also as a projector in the first two and a half years of experimenting I am finally starting to really see the whole process of non energy. It is challenging though and very hard to explain.
Like yesterday I was down at the river. I have a friend who was in a kayak and doiing all of the tricks and floping around in the water....I was thowing a stick for my dog. This person was obviously trying to get my attention and it wasn't until I had the formal invitation by a calling out of my name saying "amber watch my new tricks" I have seen this persons design before and I know there is a 16 and possibly a 16-48 but I can't remember if it is the whole channel....but I then after the invitation gave some advice as to how this person (also a former professional athelete in bike racing) could perfect the form of this new trick. It was something very simple and something that this person decided to acept the challenge to right away.
It seemed to work and I before I was given the invitation really was paying no attention what so ever to this person. Not intentionaly or manipulativly or anything. I think before hand I would have though been desperate to give advice. Now I am just waiting.
But the garage sale was fun.
It is a great way to see all of the not self stuff physically start to leave my life. So I just thought I would give an update on the garage sale.
projectors
I wrote something earlier in response to this post but I never sent it.
I was also born and raised in Denver, I noticed that is where you said you were from. Although my grandmas would probally like to see me more I rarely go back to denver.
Right now I am learning to let go. I wrote a bit of this process in the metamorphosis post earlier. Since my reading two and a half years ago it has been an incredible process for me steping out of the generator world and into the realm of the projector.
I have also been very much intensly studying design as much as possible. I had the chance to take two classes with Ra Uru Hu in December in Sedonna and that was really incredible for me.
It is hard for me to write this because it it hard to explain how my life is changing.
I really am stepping back. I am intensly looking at my life.
I am having a garage sale on Saturday and I am pretty much getting rid of all my stuff.
I experimented with moving out completly on my own deep in the country and every time I was out there I just looked at my stuff and thought of how heavy it was...and is..... I looked at how useless most of it is. And perhaps this is my 5/1......
getting to the basics...
And it is about watching all of this unfold. And also laughfing and really loosening up. It is fun.
In the past two years what I thought I wanted an invitation for, or the recognition for was for something that was perhaps part of my conditioning: especially in a family of entirely generators....So after my first reading I was hoping for the invitation of recognition as to how I could generate more....or manifest in the lime light.
So now I just kind of let the simple invitations fullfill me, and goiing through all my stuff I know that I do not need to generate anything....or manifest anything more in my life. I really just love feeling free of all of that. I love just watching where things go from here. And I am looking forward to reading more anout what richard writes about this metamorphosis...becasue I always love reading what he writes.
But I also love and read what all projectors write about. I think it really helps my process......so thanks to you Jon and every other projector who I have met!! It is incredible.
new
I was bored so I did this thing on the internet. I've exhausted all the free astrology websites so here I am. I'm just going to ramble, maybe I'll sound projectorish. Maybe I would have bought anything that this system said I am... generator..whatever. But I do believe that the description of the projector suits me. I often feel outside of situations completely! I totally have to wait to assess and understand the whole system that I'm involved in at the time. I guess I feel like this recepticle that really doesn't believe in anything they experience. I think I'm this interpretor for human experience that's completely bored with everything. It all just seems so circular, I seem to need new experiences in order to gain new ground within myself. And I do experience by going through the workings of everything over and over and over again. I need to read and hear from others and then I improve and bind everything together. It's like I'm always painting, adding to the canvas...whiting this out, adding further definition to what I think is good and them I white all that out eventually. I'm the editor of existance... i get bored if I hear the same story twice and that's life.. I am puzzled by how others get by doing mundane activities. I could never thrive in a vocation that involved solid structures I get absolutely no satisfaction from doing things right. I need to just get through it understand it thoroughly practice it and move on to the next step. Initiating is not my thing. There's no reason for it in my world unless I'm trying to make something surface, so sometimes I agitate but that's about it. I think it would be easier to be something else, like a fruit fly.
superprojector
I would love to see projectors owning their experiences and feeling save in coming out and explaining what it is for them to be themselves, for each one of them to be with an open sacral for instance....
It is only out of our experience that we will ever know, it is up-to-us to be the wise ones and know what it is to be us Vs what it is to be the others,
or am I wrong here?
This wisdom can not come out of a lesson in HD.
My wisdom will come from the experience of having my sacral defined some times and sometimes not (when those with defined-sacral leave my company).
Those with the sacaral defined will never be able to have that wisdom, because they only know what it is to be defined there.
My point being that we need to be able to figure out what it is to be a projector.
I do see myself amplifying others energy. I feel it and it feels exhilarating. But then it stops. I have been all my life confused with that effect.
I feel the pressure from both pressure centres, because I've got them both defined. Not all projectors have the same definition, so in this respect it is a very individual experience, but feeling the pressure and dealing with it without jumping out (having to wait for the invitation) is incredibly difficult.
To me, that pressure is in my design for a reason. That reason is linked to my life purpose, my individual life purpose. Finding the purpose of that pressure there will also be be my individual contribution to HD, besides being the thing I need to do in order to be able to live my life.
I believe that the specific discomfort which is there in each design forces each one of us to find out our way in life, so that we can not live our life without doing what we came here to do. This is specifically true for projectors, because generators for instance are "on the move" all the time, so their lives have less to do with "finding something out".
That pressure in my design for instance can not be there only because I have to suffer it and just wait for the invitation. No way, because I will boil.
TO find out why is that pressure there, (how I can use that pressure) I need to wait for the invitation. That's why I am a projector. Waiting for the invitation makes time available for me so that I find why that pressure is there and learn to use it.
That makes sense in the grand design of things, because the Grand Design of things can not be that this pressure is there for nothing. No way. Evolution does not waste energy in that way.
Nobody else can tell me why this pressure si there. Not even Ra. I need to figure that out all by myself. That's why we are projectors.
We are here to figure things out. Not only what to do with others, but what to do with many things in the field of our "inner realities" , usually with things related to our own desings. That's why we have this opportunity of being defined and being not defined, specially in the sacral.
I believe that the life source (the sacral) is so life giving, is so much like a generator that it is difficult to be a generator and be wise. I do not mean they are not because I know a generator, a HD analist, and she si so good and insightful....but of course she's got her head defined, too.
Would love to hear from other projectors about their specificity and how are they addressing that, so I thank you for this invitation, dinodige.
Super Open Sacral
If the Sacral Center represents what we respond to and how we respond what is the effect of having a Sacral that is completely undefined (no gates open leading to OR from the Sacral center). For bonus kicks, my Throat Center and Splenic Center are the only other undefined centers in my bodygraph.
4/1 TripSplit Emo Proj.
Cross of Opinion
How to Start
Hi
I am very new to HD - first reading 2 months ago. With a defined Head, Anja, throat and G centre, I have been researching madly since discovering HD - what a tease!!! There is never enough information .... plus it all costs such a lot, which makes me have to be patient.
Having so many open centres and both my parents as Manifestors (father with defined Solar Plexus, Mother with defined Spleen and Ego) means I seem to be mostly in my Not Self. How can I start to reclaim my Self? All my years of therapy and reading every Self Help book under the sun have just put on even more layers of conditioning. I'm feeling lost and overwhelmed, but also grateful to at last feel recognised. I keep reading and re-reading the definition of a Projector, as it feels as though, at long last, somebody understands me!
Can anyone help me? Describe your journey from Not Self to Self, and understandings of what it is to be a Projector. I can read fast and learn fast, thanks to my defined Mind and will soak it all up - I invite you all!!
Many thanks
6/2 LAX Uncertainty
Watching Others
Thank you for your kind response. It is so nice as a Projector to get a response!
Having bought two of the very expensive books, I am starting to do just what you advise, which is to watch family and friends, and my own therapy clients, to see how they behave and link it with their bodygraphs. Realising that my son, who has the LAX of Upheaval, is doing what he is best at, being him-Self, has made a dramatic shift in our relationship. Also, being on the autistic spectrum now makes more sense when I see that there are channels/gates that make him unavailable to care, precisely because he is able to be so focused on his own opinions and direction. WOW!!
We have a family in which the boys have 5 defined centres each whilst my husband and I have 3 and 4, so the whole aspect of picking up and amplifying another's energy has really made sense to me. And now that I can see it working, I can sit back and watch it rather than get into the thick of it and feel that we are all wrong!!
So much grief and guilt is going down the metaphorical plug hole as I delve deeper into the wonders of this system. And, from reading others posts, I see it can only get deeper and more complex the more one studies it. Now that's a challenge for my defined mind with it's intense pressure to Know which should keep me out of mischief for quite some time.
Sorry, I have been rambling on. I feel a need to share all this information, but nobody is inviting me to :-((. Can I wait, is the question?
(I don't think I've got the hang of this system yet as I can't see the post to which I am replying. There was more which struck me in what you said, so thank you for your response)
Marian
6/2 LAX Uncertainty
for Marian
marian, dear, your words are resonating in a very familiar place...
I get crazy when somebody else have uncomfortable feelings about me....Just let me invite you to comment on this one...
I live in a very repressed society, here in my country emotions are considered to be the darkest of things so anyone represses them! Very calvinistic place!
I know somebody with a SP defined and she, she does not like me. That's Ok after all who cares, but having her around is very uncomfortable becasue she is trying to repress her feelings and they all come to me, and I amplify them with my undefined SP!!!
She si so powerful poor thing and she believes I do not like her...It is certainly the other way around but she does not know about HD and is not interested...to young for the thing...
But even people with undefined Sp make me sick if they are angry...for instance my husband. He is a generator (I am a projector) and when he gets angry all hell breaks loose for me....I am literally vibrating, specialy the physical place for the SP, there at the very center of my body is a war place.
However when I get angry he does not suffer at all! Why? does anybody understand?
If he got no definition in his SP why can't he get projected?
Things are not necessarily very clear in HD. Some mechanics are explained but other parts are not.
The Gifts of Human Design
Hi Marian
Having a strategy with which you can make decisions as yourself is the biggest gift of the Human Design System, however, part of the deconditioning process is discovering what can lead you away from yourself, and I found the information about the centers SO helpful in understanding my family and relationship dynamics. And my experience has been and is that there are layers of conditioning related to my open centers and it's not like I get new information about the centers, it's more like the information I read in the Living Your Design course manual and other materials is developing an ever increasing depth over time.
Feel free to share information, questions, doubts etc here - the presence of the forum is your invitation. For projectors, waiting for the invitation is generally about larger life decisions, where to work, where to live, who to be with etc. You don't necessarily need someone to invite you to do the day to day stuff like shopping or get the mail etc. I would suggest to put whatever you feel comfortable with on this forum and see what response you get. Sometimes there might just be no-one online to 'recognise' your question.
A Human Design teacher/analyst I know advised their clients not to do anything in particular at the start of their process, but just to begin to see where they get resistance in their life - resistance can be like a clue that's something is not correct.
Yes, this system needs some work. At the bottom of the specific post you are replying to you should see 'Post Reply' which should bring up a screen with the post and a place to write your reply.
Warm Regards
Ruth
Getting Started
Hello Uncertainty4eve
Welcome to the HD community.
You have taken the first and most valuable step - you have had a foundation reading. This is the beginning o of your journey from Not-Self to Self. There is nothing for you to 'do' on this journey but follow your strategy and authority. Wait for the invitations, don't initiate. It takes approximately seven years to decondition as this is how long it takes for all the cells in our body to be replaced. This time frame has also been validated by the experience of many who have been in their experiment for seven or more years.
Everyone's journey is different as we are all unique - yours will have it's own twists and turns. However one common experience is that in the first few years you begin to see just how deep the conditioning field is, and you get many insights into who you thought you were and who you are not.
It is wonderful that at last you feel recognised. It is recommended that you listen to foundation reading over and over and over again, until you know it deeply. I found that with each listening something new was unlocked in my brain that I had not connected with before.
I also felt in the first year or so that I couldn't get my hands on enough information and was disappointed with my lack of financial resources to pay for everything I thought I wanted to have. My experience has been that I have been able to pay for what I need, when I needed it, and now I am less attached to getting as much information as I can.
As a Projector, perhaps one thing you can do is to start observing your relatives and friends closely. It sounds as though you have spent many years trying to 'recognise' yourself - as a Projector you are here to be a guide to others and having a system for understanding how other people tick is important for you. Your self-help and therapy may have been part of your learning process so that you will be able to apply what you have learnt to guide others.
If you have a computer, downloading the Maia Mechanics Imaging software (free)from Jovian Archive and running the charts of your friends, family, work associates etc could provide much stimulation for your mind. Also, attending a Living Your Design course either in person or online is very beneficial at this point in your process. This is money well spent.
If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask them here, that is what this forum is for.
Warm Regards
Ruth
for lisalu
hi dear! I come back here after many weeks....My profile is 2/4 and finally I have really let go off the anxiety for "having to be with people"....
Knowing my 2/4 profile (The Heremit) has liberated me....
TOTALLY
What profile have you got?
I am so happy ALL ALONE!!!! Well I've got a husband and lately we are so happy!!!
I do not want anybody ELSE any longer....I am not sure anymore than I am waiting for ANY invitation....
My paradise is here and now!!! It is my liberation...
I do not need anybody's recognition anymore....Stil, when somebody makes a comment about me that reflects who-I-am-not, I do feel frustrated and angry....nO DOUBT...
As per my sacral invaded with others energy, I do not like it any longer....Well, my husband being a generator does define me and it does not feel bad, but others generators can go to hell as far as I am concerned because most of the time they PLAIN overwhelm me....
How are you doing?
iT IS HEAVEN TO BE A PROJECTOR AND A HEREMIT, AFTER ALL EVERYBODY ELSE CAN GO TO ...THERE!!! DO NOT NEED ANYONE, DO NOT NEED ANY INVITATION....REALLY ....
projector waiting
Yes well. I am a projector 5/1 Single definiton No inner authority Left angle crosss of marks 7/13 22/43
I live in australia. i stumbled onto human design by accident trawling around looking for free answers on the internet in crisis - in limbo
kind of studied astrology since i was really young and been throwing the i ching daily, weekly for 25 years - dont know if i understand it now - any more any less.
So came across human design - fascinated
i have discovered i am a projector - i only know one other
5 years ago i up and moved location and was surrounded by invitations- i said yes to nearly everything - things fired off - life got busy, exciting, learning lots of stuff, consolidating what i knew - film, teaching, multimedia
then i met a gambler (though i didnt know it at the time) who asked me/ invited to give him my heart body money food shelter
which i became sucked into the vortex whirlwind children people- posessions are immaterial - life is exciting and scary
and then he left and im drowning
but ive been here before
and sometimes i think i getting stupider as i get older
but deep down i know im smarter than the rest
and trying to understand
hey i know nothing
and often feeling guilty im not behaving like a generator and 'creating a life for myself'- cos i know im skilled and intuitive and posses empathy and insight an experience
but i cant move on unless i look at this all from every angle that i can and sometimes over and over and mostly alone cause no-one else is interested - its a lonely soul searching tread apon water for what seems like eternity
and then usually just around the next corner
- life can change - enormously- a kind of quantum leap - i never would have dreamt it.. but then again maybe i did - its happened many times before- i just lose faith along the way
waiting drives me crazy - its a bit like jealousy
i dont know how to deal with it
for lisalu
because you've got no inner authority, it is good for you to bounce your doubts and ideas with others, it is during this interaction that you figure out what's good and what's not good for you.... I hope I can contribute...
when you hear what is good for you you will recognise it....here I go...hope this is "the thing" for you.
I believe that it is during our "waiting time" that we as projectors find out what we came here to do.
As I wrote above: projectors came to Earth to do one or two very specific things.
Well dear, nobody will spell for you what are these things you came on Earth to do. You'll have to find them out. How?
I have figured that projectors' "waiting time" is designed for us precisely to find out what-we-came-here-to-do.
As you become aware of this, the perception of "waiting" as a bad thing will change into a good thing.
This precious "waiting time" becomes just what-you-need instead of being that you-have-to-endure.
Do I make sense?
"Your" only time is your "waiting time", because once you find out what it is yuou came here to do, then you'll have to act and there will be no more time of yours. It will be your time "for others".
Being on-the-move all the time is kind of a punishment for a projector. You are not designed to feel good as you are on the move all the time. Remember, you are not a generator. You've got no energy of your own. It can not feel good. Period.
If you were a generator then it would feel good to be on-the-move all the time, but there is no way it feels good for you, because you are a projector.
You however might believe with your mind that this is what you want: being on the move all the time.
This is where your anxiety could be born: in your idea that this is what you have to be doing.
You may be afraid of waiting since "waiting" has been equated to "bad" in our western culture.
I am not telling you what happens to you, I am just trying to send you some ideas. I could just be plain wrong.
AS you change the perception of what you 've got (your waiting time) you will know what to do with it.
rejecting invitations? please help
really what i am trying to do is to
LEARN HOW TO LET GO
i know i can do it - i've done it before - it happens almost magically..
one minute its there
and the next is gone
But it seems harder to do the older i get
how do you figure it out with no inner authority?
Im still waiting
for lisalu
let me try to express what I believe I am getting from your post. I will start with a question:
Is is true that you are focusing on "invitation to accept" Vs "invitation to reject"?
It seems to me that there is no way anyone (including Ra) could give you a formula for you to recognise what is this "thing" you as a projector came here on Earth to do.
There is nobody who could tell anybody else what is this thing you came here to do.
And I am glad that's how it is, because there is no human being who could bear such power over others and avoid going in a power trip.
So, it is you who need to figure out your life and your tasks on Earth.
It is you who need to figure out what is the good invitation for yourself.
It is a process and what you get from HD are only guidelines on how-to-go-about-your-process.
I believe projectors need to learn a lot about the process itslef. About one's personal process.
Generators, for instance, go every day "on-the-move" and by just going "on-the-move" they figure out their process.
Projectors have to figure out the process itself by reflecting.
The difference is that generators can go on the move and "be".
WE have to reflect more than generators (but less than reflectors).
There is lots of learning in the process of being defined by others. But it is a learning that comes with the years.
With this part I wanted to say:
Forget about the end result, get bussy with the process!
Your process is one where you need to talk and discuss things with others. That's how you will figure out things.
It is must probably true that during this process you will feel confused about when it's good or no good.
Do you want somebody to tell you when it is good or not?
Nobody can.
In fact it is you the one who can tell us how that process go, your process (I got a defined spleen and could tell you how it goes with a defined spleen).
I can speculate on how it goes...Maybe in your process of getting defined when you interact with people you can use others definition to feel whether "it" is good or no-good for you. But this would be an speculation indeed.
IN this western culture we are all educated to behave as generators/manifestors. Being a projector or a reflector implies to "let-go" off the idea that we are going to be every day "on-the-move" and that life is going to be solved by doing and by taking initiatives and by being active all the time.
It is painful for us, but it does have many advantages, too.
another thought
eally what i am trying to do is to
LEARN HOW TO LET GO
i know i can do it - i've done it before - it happens almost magically..
now here's the thing
don't try harder - try easier
if i meditate on my car - i don't do - try hard meditation - i le down and kinda 1/2 put my attention on say my car
the letting go is in knowing it is easy
and this is opposite than learning to drive a car or ride a horse [ you think cos they got a brain they won't walk your leg into a fence but they will ]or direct people -- which is hands on and requires a focus and an understanding of the principles involved
[ i think you have to be hands on when you need to protect yourself in escaping bad situations - but need a lighter touch when ATTRATING positive ones]
so i relax and next day 2 new tyres turn up free -- its really non trying and very hands off
i probably tried this strategy naturally as a kid learning to drive and got in a few gentle scrapes because of it -- i think thereis different strategies for hands on and hands off
but i think you need plenty of hands off time to attract the RIGHT people and situations to be hands on with -- or maybe it does create situations where you can be totally [almost] hands off
if my someone wants me to be hands on - i back away
a year later they say - you were right - ididn't realise it at the time but i needed that space you gave me
i get that it takes the full 7 years now for projectors
we are insightful - but good insights are built on good foundations and the further you go the more secure the foundation your insights work off
dear lisalu
hmmm
i can empathise to the degree that i am a projector but i am male so a slightly different tack than you
1 just cos you need others doesn't mean you "need" others - or it means you need to choose very carefully who you let into your inner circle
2 is it me - or do projectors have a natural sense of ethics and honor - i guess it comes from respecting the energy that others give you
3 amplifier - i also see it like a catalyst in a chemical reaction
like the old chinese saying -- if someone is gonna turn their life to shit, they will do it sooner with you around... you may be able to help this person but it sounds as if they are not the one for you
as a catalyst i know i can only have good people and intelligent people in my inner circle
otherwise i bring the stupid to see their own stupidity and the immoral to see their own immorality -- only those commited to improving their lives see this as worthwhile
sure you may know deep down the samurai saying
a samurai has courage on the outside and must balance it with compassion on the inside and the priest has compassion on the outside but must balance it with courage on the inside
your partner mst be your helper - not a charity case undermining your efforts and energies at a close distance
i don't think the saying - keep your enemies close - is designed for projectors... lest we are very good at taichi or aikido and have several honorable "workers" around us as bodyguards
because we can catalyse anothers crap - and an immature person will blame you for their tantrum
if you have no inner authority i would go with kauthyla's wisdom and only except invitations from people who are both moral and intelligent
i think we need to keep a buffer zone between us and the imoral and the imature and unitelligent
abe lincoln would have done better to stay home the night he got shot
angels should definately fear to tread when fools are rushing in at the same time
i have a scar from going in to fix a situation with intelligence at the same time as someone went in to fix it with brute strength and ignorance
we need understanding and loyalty -- for we naturally give these things [ i asume]
the other thing is to experiment witht he various types of authority
i have had success with simple things using the vocal gut circuit
and a week ago "smelt" trouble brewing -- and unfortuanely put too much trust in someone who literally smelt like shit to me
i think it is useful to treat every day asdifferent and take time to reset and trust your instincts for that day
and reset them the next day
tho an immoral or unintelligent person "might" bring positive opportunities into your life they very rarely do -- and usually the cost is definately more than it is worth
as a male i have been in your position - but the dynamic seems to be different for a male - so i feel i cannot really give you any benefit from what matrity i gained from going thru it
i always believe in situations like this one should seek trust worthy allies
in my case it was an older male - it your's i would think it would be an older wise female who has won the battle you know find yourself in
these people are often few and hard to find
cos only the "superior" man takes on the challenge of "the demon region"
i do believe there seems to be a power in us projectors sticking together
1 because society at the moment rarely gives us the validation we need
and 2 because we have a role to play and can learn from shared experience and networks
good luck
also -- when i went hru this last i had some hellish heavy transits and my body was literally shook by it -- take a rest in things like energy medicine ie accupuncture - to buy you some respite and
2 i i personally now use emotions as my shield not my core
ie by keeping them external they do not shake my core
and any one that challenges my emotions has literally hit my shield
they are asking to be deflected ... but this may be more a male metaphor
so to conclude - i talk to a female friend about the things i learn as i honor my design or grow up some more, and it reminds her of the good non flaky bits of druidry - call it body earth wisdom maturity - you may find an ally in a non flaky witchy type if you can find one
dare i say -- if you commit to protecting yourself then you will attract those that want to protect you and treat you with respect
Super Open Sacral
is it the sacral types that respond with the gutteral vocal authority
anyway a coupla yrs back i had decided to get out of my head by going for gut responses
mmmmmmm gut responses
mmm warm
food goood
that sort of thing
i later discovered that i had got it down to grunts and huhs and hmmm s etc
i dunno , i gues with the spleen being more survival and not every descision having that weight on it i must have tuned in to playing with the wisdom of other centres... having pets too or being aroun them and pre talking kids gets you communing at a body rather than head level more
who knows i m having big planet transits all the time so it could be a transit response
i also wonder if yet undiscovered planets add more gates and channel centre info than we are yet privy too....
or maybe as a projector i'm trying to learn more about generators by working with their styles
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