whiteknight
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Can anyone offer some help. I have a friend who is a projector with NO authority. She is having a problem making a descision on a crucial career issue. She is defined in the head, ajna and throat only with only two complete channels, 47-64 and 17-62.

What help can you offer for her to gain some clarity.

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alissa
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Happy Valentine's day Mike - you are loved. Are you loving yourself? I hope so - you deserve it. And your 5th line practical solution to crisis was much appreciated. Thanks.

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lippy
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DEAR WHITE KNIGHT IF YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF SOMETHING,IT IS ALLREADY WRONG.....YOU DO NOT ASK YOURSELF ANYTHING....YOURSELF IS BIZZY ON THE WAVE AND ANYTHING THAT BRINGS A LITTLE DOUBT MAKES IT THAT YOU CAN NOT STEP ONTO THEEXPANDING WAVE SO....WHENEVER YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF SOMETHING IT IS NOT THE NATURE FOR YOUR NURTURE,,,,CAPICE!LIFE DOES NOT NEED QUESTIONS....JUST RIGHT FLOWING OF KNOWING!

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Digital Witchdoctor
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Scratch my back, sweetie...

alissa wrote:
Hi

The 5th color has the theme of "guilt", or as my friend the digital witchdoctor renamed it, "duty". I like that.

Quote:

Well hello Alissa! I see you quote me as a friend - but sadly no Valentines card from you? Ah, life is tough.

People - my prediction for the Television Face of Human Design in the USA, and that role is now up for grabs folks, is this young lady you read here, Alissa. Coming to a TV screen across the US just as soon as the masses wake up to the potential of Human Design...

Maybe?

Hm. Simple Sacral says Hm.

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Beemalchik
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Wow!
Real poetry dedicated to the fifth line!

I think, that all fifth lines will prefer this post in the Forum. :lol:

I already put it in my collections of different HD materials. (and I am also 5 line. Unconsiouse... Still.. :wink: )

Best regards, Alissa!

Beemala

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alissa
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Hi

I wanted to say something about the 5 in the profile - yes, the 5 is seductive and attractive. It is pulling the projection field, all the time. 5s are naturally conscious of their appearance and how they're being seen because they know at some level that there's always attention being put on them, especially conscious 5's. (The profiles are 5/1 and 5/2 by the way). People at first project that you can be their best friend, the best lover, that you can help them, that you're what they've always been looking for, that you can save them from something, but on the other hand, people are always ready to find where you screwed up, did them wrong, are a bad person etc. It's always going one way or the other. Being a 6/2, and a splenic projector on the cross of upheaval with nothing but a conscious 16/48 - I find a kinship and an alignment with my fellow main left-angle profile group - the 5/1s, and projectors in general of course. The conscious 5's are one notch down on the ladder so to speak, and therefore more involved than me sitting up here, and very much having a sense of their wide-reaching karmic involvement in life. I have a special acknowledgement for sure with 5/1s. I do notice the 5/1s often to be sexy and seductive. I can't think of one that I know who isn't. It's something in their eyes, like they know something that you'd probably like to know if you could get it out of them, but you're gonna have to come close to find out, and maybe they'll whisper it in your ear and it'll be exciting and you'll get turned on, or maybe you'll never get to know and they'll keep you chasing them for eternity in hopes of accessing some of their magic, because you know they could probably give you exactly what you need that only they can provide. Then again, look what I just said! It's so funny! See, that is all projection. I don't know if they really have something or not. Maybe they don't. But it sure looks like they do. I know all about how 5's get projected on, and yet I do it myself. I project onto the 5s helplessly. And I've seen how if they turn out to not be quite what I thought they were at first my projection on them comes crashing down, and I even find myself talking or even gossiping about 5th line people more than others, especially if they've disappointed me. I guess I talk about everyone a lot, though, being an 18.6 sun, the gate of gossiping and bitchiness, and having a huge array of associations as a 6th line. And I'm also a 5th color, so the 5th line game in a way is familiar to me at a deeper level. The 5th color has the theme of "guilt", or as my friend the digital witchdoctor renamed it, "duty". I like that. And as a 5 that's very much what it is about. You have a duty as a 5, and every 5 knows it, and being in a dutiful position, there is an implication of "responsibility", and when you are responsible, especially for others, there's always the possibility that you will either make someone grateful that you took responsibility, or you could become the guilty one if you somehow fail in whatever it was you took responsibility for. It's a heavy trip!

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Beemalchik
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Hello, dear empress!

Glad to hear you! :D

Your sharing about "am I thinking too much about stuff?" made me giggle! Thank you for this pleasure! :lol:
It is logically - if you are defined only in Head and Ajna - this is only for what you are designed! - for constant thinking, conseptualizing own questions. It can not be too much - just how it is.

Your post reminded me, how I began 12 years ago to practice different meditation techiques (especially, still meditations, like vipassana or za-dzen). All time during them I expected, how "my mind will stop" and I would be awarded by "no-mind" experience. Hehe! All time I was thinking about this and about that. Every meditation my mind used for thinking. At last I always said for myself "Well, now I have time to think a little bit without disturbing". I realised, that I failed in the process to reach "no-mind" space, but what to do?! It was not reason for suicide, so I found out another pleasure in still meditations - I was thinking and I enjoing moovies in my head.

It seems to me, that for all people with defined minds, the "thinking" is not a problem. The problem is trying to solve life problems by thinking. In this case we can not be relaxed in our thinking process, this process (trying to solve life problems) hooks all our not-self strategies of open centres and thus - we can not enjoy ourselves, our mental process, our lifes...

:roll:

With love -
Beemala

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empress
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Hey Bee

its been a while since I came onto the site...so many postings, and the return of some people I thought had gone away for good, and I am happy to see them again on top form;-)

As usual, you have a lovely insight. I rarely get to hear feedback on Mental Projectors. I only know one other, so it's great to hear your feedback on us!
I agree, that because we are so open, we reflect back the person we are talking to, and generally that person feels wonderfully comfortable with that and it is a natural state for us to make that happen. You have to be jolly persistant, and very aware to dig deeper and find the MP within though...and what you say about repeating questions, or saying the same thing over and over can be quite true.
For myself, I have to constantly be aware of 2 things. Am I amplifying other peoples feelings and emotions...and am I thinking too much about stuff?

I am so very interested in generators and manifesting generators, and am always honoured when they invite me to advise them/help them...and also when they let me tap into their energy and run wild with it. It's such a fabulous feeling..a real high.

Nice to talk to you again
/empress
x

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Beemalchik
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Hello, EMPRESS!!

This post - specially for you.

Three days ago I gave Reading for Mental Projector 63\4. Mental Projectors are rare. I know only four. And at first I met MP 63|4.

It was great pleasure for me to give her Reading, because it was pleasure for me to communicate with her. So open (reflects me - m-m-m! deliciouse) and at the same time - so quick and smart mind!!!

After she gone I thought that I am becoming fan of Mental Projectors! All, whom I know - favorite for me in communication!

(Sure, it is not so easy to communicate, for example with my friend and student MP 43|23. Usually in our conversation (trying to look from outside, it seems to me) I am talking with air and she is talking with herself. BUT - knowing HD, I am looking now for such situations with great inner gigling and somehow have patient to play role of recorder - again and again ask her the same or tell her the same... But - these are individuals ( :roll: ), collective Mental Projector - another and delightful story).

Hope, you are well!

Beemala

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walking angel
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good time

You too Bee!

We must swap notes, some time!

:)
}wa{

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Beemalchik
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Hello, Wa and empress!

It is happened that I have read this your topic now. It is very beautiful conversation...

Anyway...
Two words about 5 line and sexuality, as I know about this.

It is not like 5 line more sexual, comparing with others (as WA also said this...) But the matter is, that one of the theme of contemporary Cycle (last 400 years) is particulary, sex, and the investigations what is sex last 70 years. So somehow everything in our lives untill 2027 year is and will connected with sex.The main thing which is distinguishes 5 line from others - is seduction. To be seducer or to be seduced (generally - to seduce somebody be a seducer - ha-ha! for what? - for bringing universalisation). You know it - you are both 5 lines in Personality. If this is main thing about 5 line, - thus, in our new age (ha-ha!) we WILL talk about all 5[th lines as about sexual seducers. So, it is not because of objective nature, but because of specific of our "sexual" time...

So, Ra says, that it is enough for somebody to catch only one chance glance of 5 line person to have immediate projection on this person as a sexual seduser (means, that man will think about 5 line women that she looked at him specially to seduce him for a date (and vice a versa for women, thinking about 5 line man)).

Wish you good time!!
Truly your Beemala

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empress
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Hi WA,

Cool, I'll take a peek and see if we get some enlightenment!

I was aware of the discount offered on the Jovian site and I've signed up on the Projector programme. I bought all my software there, just the basic package plus the relationship module.

I was talking to Richard Beaumont who told me about the excellent freebie with Kindred Spirit, I've still not been through the whole thing yet as everytime I listen to Ra's mp3's I feel drowsy and want to sleep!! His voice is very hypnotic........

I have the RR circuitry book too which is way easier to follow in language than Ra's circuitry book that I rarely use. There are some recommendations on books and DVD's on the forum which I might take, but I find that my inquisitiveness is insatiable once I get started and a whole week might vanish as I get deeper into it...when I should be working (I am so easily distracted although I am not sure which gate governs that).

I was thinking WA of getting a reading done by one of the guys online here. It's not that I didn't like my reading, it's just that the person had not been giving readings very long and I'd kind of like a second opinion. I feel bad that I want another reading, as I am sure that person was very competant. Where did you get your reading done?

/empress

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walking angel
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books and £££$$$

hi empress/

I've created a new topic to see if we can get more input on this 5th-line thing: see "sex and the 5th line".

Meanwhile... books? I just have Rudd's "circuitry" book. A good buy.

Masses of online clippings in a digital scrapbook on my Mac.

CDs? I have just one. Earlier this year there was a free CD with Kindred Spirit magazine, containing hours of mp3s by Ra. For a time this was also available as a free download from the Jovian website, and that's where I got it. But sadly no longer available.

Oh, and I bought a special offer discounted talk by Ra from HDO, exploring the gates in the wheel. That's all the GBP/USD.

D'you know that, if you register as a projector, you get a discount on all stuff bought from the Jovian shop?

bw
}wa{

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empress
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hey

Well you certainly sounds like you've been into it longer than 8 months.

I think it relates particularly to the 5/1 (is there any other variation of the 5? Like a 5/2 or 5/3?) and the fact that the 1 makes the attractiveness and sexuality of the 5 more subtle, but all the more powerful for it.
I was told that I have a large and powerful aura, and am especially impressive to strangers, which again (I think) is supposed to come from the 5/1 profile.

Just out of interest - have you bought all the books, CDs and DVDs available to gain insight? I have bought the software and a couple of add ons and a couple of gate books, but generally, like you said, there is a fair bit of stuff out there online which doesn't cost anything. This forum for instance;-)

There is an allure with the language in HD, inevitable and inheritant from the sources of the synthesis, and works to soften and spiritualise the cold hard logic!!

empress

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walking angel
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sex and the fifth line

hi empress/

please don't take my responses as gospel. I'm just eight months into living and reading HD.

What I'm going on is the fact that during this time I've never seen the connection between 5th line and sex appeal mentioned before. And myself, I'm willing to accept that the projected-on nature of the 5th line may amount to sex appeal in certain circumstances.

Anybody out there... more views on this?

As for responding to your 'colourful language'... Truth is in the texture, and metaphors matter. Its one of the things in HD that beckons me - the keynoting and poetics.

}wa{

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empress
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Grrr

I have just spent a silly amount of time trying to upload my web page with my rave, for this system to then tell me that it is not a gif when it is a gif. I'd happily send you the URL it's at: britishbelles.co.uk.

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5/1 Mental Projector
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empress
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Ahaaaa

Hi Walking Angel,

Hmmm, well I was told in my reading that there was supposedly an innate sexuality with the 5's, from a person who was also a 5. This inconsistency concerns me...should one get several readings and then pick the best?

LOL...thanks for pulling together examples of my colourful language, being a writer I just can't help it I guess!

As for the open G centre, I can entirely relate to it being connected to the home. I work from home and my home is very important to me and my well being. Like you, my home is a refuge that gives me stability and generally I would rather be at home than anywhere else.

I think I finally managed to sort out my chart to save the strain on your poor peepers.

ciao for now
empress

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walking angel
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sex appeal

Sex appeal in buckets huh? It all depends on who and when! No sacral definition, two hanging sacral gates looking for mates; a very passionate gate 22 and a hungry, hungry gate 35 which really light up when I find a Cross of Eden, with the matching 12 and 36. But I never heard the story that 5/1s are sexy. Can't see it myself; I think sex appeal lies elsewhere in the bodygraph, not in the profile. Maybe 5s can get lots of projections of sex, along with all the other stuff we get shunted our way? Looks like you have gate 6, gate of strategies for intimacy (what line?)? Maybe you get lots projected on to that? Sex and intimacy are sometimes hard to tell apart...

Not that you're NOT sexy of course, dear empress ;) I do note, though, that in another thread you wrote:

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... through these open centres we can become wise beyond any who are fixed. I daresay that when my body has deconditioned itself a few years on I will be able to reflect on the truth of that, but for now I feel like the most enormous sponge that soaks up peoples emotions, surfs around on them for a while, and then get tossed on a desert island alone, bereft (which is actually the best bit).
Just ruminating.... The connection between sex appeal, soaking up juicy others, surfing on others' waves and periodically arriving on strange shores pleasantly alone might be quite complex? For a person with an open sacral and solar plexus, maybe having bags of sex appeal (no: buckets, i like the sound of that better ;) is part of a learning process. I want to know what your node activations are now. Come on, post your chart!

I quit, before metaphors get completely out of hand ;)

}wa{

PS: I don't have any sense of the G and sex being connected. I like my open G now. I do lack stable direction, I do yearn for home; and that's cool. I'm learning that home is where I am - and especially, where I am recognised, as distinct from where anyone else defines home to be (the town I was born in, the marital bed, a secure career, etc etc). No sex here, really, just lots of comfort in the open-G projector identity.

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walking angel
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angst

It's not being a projector that I find angstful. It's not beeing SEEN for one. Having it assumed that I'm another bloody generator!

:)

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empress
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Hove

By the way WA, I have loads of friends that come from Hove and Worthing but they all live in other places now (not meaning anything in particular by that;-)....I know areas around Hever Castle and Tunbridge Wells, tis loverly daahn that way, and in fact me and mr manifesting gen are looking to buy land down there and build a house. I must be insane..I feel tired just thinking about it..

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empress
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Hey there

My lord Angel, you must have terrific eye sight to tell anything from that rubbish little picture..I am impressed! Having trouble uploading my rave to the web at the moment but I'll sort it out.

Wise words. It's good to hear from another 5/1 projector and you obviously know your stuff. It's funny, I rarely talk about myself normally (aside from the superficial stuff I can do in my sleep), as I appear as a reflector in my waking state so am adept at keeping the spotlight on others and taking it all in. Looking through the other posts here, everyone seems to be talking about themselves alot, explaining their own design and I feel awkward/scared about others being able to see my design, like I am being exposed. It's not that I am secretive, just complex, but you are so right when you say:

"you spend so much time and energy (and doing your brain in) trying to identify solutions, and meaningful 'shapes' in the flow of experience and thoughts."

This is a joy, to be linking in with others who share the angst that it is to be a Projector, or rather the growing pains of realigning your life according to your design. I am sure it is painful for all types.

I was interested to hear that you also have an undefined G. How does that work for you, especially as you are naturally a person who had sex appeal in buckets being a 5/1 (or so I am lead to believe;-)
Sometimes a girl can get too many invitations..lol!

My best

empress

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walking angel
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identification and boxes

Responding to your cross of identification...

With 63.64, you spend so much time and energy (and doing your brain in) trying to identify solutions, and meaningful 'shapes' in the flow of experience and thoughts. The 9 gives you ability to hold a focus and identify detail (providing you can stay still long enough, and your varying rhythms - gate 15 - let you); but it comes and goes (undefined sacral). You have ability for detail in your 62 too. With 16 and no 48 you have the skill to fix things (using the detail from your 62) but depend on others for identifying the fix.

Following what you wrote about 'boxes'... Sure sounds like you've identified with your design! You feel yourself to be a mental projector, for sure. You *know* you have no motors, no defined G. You were at home in this identity with your generator friends yesterday? This identification and placing of yourself sounds like good news, for a person with an undefined G? It doesn't really feel like a box, does it? To accept a name for yourself (among other names) isn't a box, surely, if it contains true recognition?

bw
}wa{
Undefined G : my chart spoke to me the moment I saw it! And like you, I refuse boxes and insist on recognition, with a vengeance ;-)

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walking angel
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chart?

hi empress/

Just quickly...

I'm doing my eyes in, trying to read the tiny chart that you use as an avatar. Maybe you'd like to post a readable one?

OK: I can see no motors; quite a bit of spleen-oriented stuff; some multiply defined tribal. Oh, and 22. I know that one!

bw
}wa{

PS: lovely sussex? Hove, actually ;-)

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empress
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I feel special

Ooooh, an angel from lovely Sussex replied to little ole me, how fabulous:-)

You are quite right that my man's attitude should in no way affect my own views, however as a Manifesting Generator 6/2 he adds his own blend of definition to my sponge like design. I find myself becoming defensive of HD and my own design as a projector, which is odd considering I don't really understand everything yet. We have discussed the attributes of generators and I think he is a little miffed that he is grouped in with Generators as a general 'worker bee'!lol...he believes himself to be special, and I tell him that MG are special. If only he would go for a reading perhaps it would make a difference, but I doubt it while he still views HD as being on a par with Scientology.

I used to be married to another Manifesting Generator 3/5 and had I known about HD at that time, I expect he would have felt the same way.

I have noted that my friends and family are nearly all MG, and Projectors, with a few Generators for good measure. I had 2 generator friends come over for dinner last night with me and my man. Now I know what they are, I basked in their energy, I realised their frustration and feelings were not mine in a split conscious second and I was empowered. I engineered interaction of energies between these 3 generators and myself (would have been better with another generator to make me the magic 5th, but it worked nonetheless;-) - we all had a lovely time and I didn't feel too drained for a change.

I have the left angled cross of Identification - I think that this means I am searching for who I am, the person that others see me as. I am thinking then that only once I accept that I cannot be defined that my identity is realised. People see in me things that I am not, and whilst this used to make me feel confused and upset, I am beginning to think that it doesn't actually matter. Why should I make their work easier? I hate to be classified. Put in a box. Yet I am willing to believe and accept HD which tells me I am in a Projector box.

Blimey, I am babbling. Sorry, thanks for listening/reading/prodding/etc

empress
Surrey, England

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walking angel
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partners not approving

hi empress (& whiteknight ;-)

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My partner requires proof of HSD, he cannot accept it's origins and commerciality (i.e profit making)

If I may say so, this sounds like his problem. No need for it to be a problem for you? You have your life to live, and he has his.
Quote:
I can call 10 people in a night and interact and exchange differently with all of them...

...and if this is your way to find authority for choices (obviously, with your design, it is) THAT's not a problem either. Reading between the lines, is your partner finding this troublesome too? He's not a projector I assume? Especially, partnered with a projector with no inner authority, he will have a hard time accepting that a projector's life really is how it is, and they're not just being wussy or fussy. Them folks with defined sacrals tend to see something lacking in us wonderful folks without... Certainly, they won't understand our living; but this doesn't necessarily rule out (a) acceptance (for their comfort) and (b) recognition (for ours)...

On commerciality... I haven't any spare cash, so it has been an issue for me. I see two things which are OK by me:
i) For Ra, part of the game is to create a tradition and 'lineage' for the teaching of design. One good way to do this is by limiting the number of people who get direct access to 'the source' and requiring them to invest - money, and consequently, time; and also to associate in certain disciplined ways with teachers. I find no problem with that. That's Ra's strategy as a Founder.
ii) This community really has quite a lot that's free: this online forum and others; the email list associated with this forum <http://www.humandesignonline.com/HDCommunity.htm>; various free audio materials that crop up here and there. It's open too - there are plenty of heretical or non-Ra points of view expressed in this forum. It does call for a commitment of time of course, reading and exchanging. But not being able to pay isn't a huge obstacle to HD learning. I bought just one book - Rudd's 'Circuity' - and this one expense goes a long way.

Quote:
What to do with all that juicy knowledge gleaned??

Don't let it go to your head, for sure ;-)

best wishes
on the wings of design
}wa{

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empress
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I came to look

Hi whiteknight - thanks for putting that out there for me and thank you
Walking Angel for responding. I had a reading earlier in the year and she also advised me to talk to people, listen to myself speak and I would reach clarity. I am a Mental Projector with a defined Ajna, head and throat and open everywhere else. Emotional decisions are a minefield for me and I feel vulnerable so I retreat into my head. What I used to class as people draining my energy, I now understand to be the opposite. I am draining their energy, we are making an exchange in fact, I give them my intellect and knowledge and they give me their energy. I can call 10 people in a night and interact and exchange differently with all of them, then through some complicated synthesis in my head that I cannot begin to define, I sleep on it and get my decision.
My partner requires proof of HSD, he cannot accept it's origins and commerciality (i.e profit making). When whiteknight introduced me to it last year I was obsessed and read everything I could, bought software and books and then had a reading.
I've just read through lots of posts on this site (where did the last 2 hours just go?) and have picked up a lot of useful information, especially from the other projectors on the forum who are quite far down the 7 year path.

I had to laugh at whiteknight's tricks he uses to extrapulate people's birth dates...they are pretty resourceful those Manefesting Generators!
What to do with all that juicy knowledge gleaned??

My best to all

empress
London, England

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walking angel
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hi whiteknight/

Sorry that things are so quiet on the system just now. People must be on vacation?

Try this:
http://www.humandesignonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=532&highlight=authority

bw
}wa{

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