hello all,
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LOVE YOU ALL
REGARDS

On Sun, 08 May 2005 Suzanna Stephan wrote :
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>Mary Ann,
>
>Would you expand upon how the information was delivered when you say 'If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me' as I have noticed that not all but many whom I've given readings to do not seem to apply the knowledge and continue to initiate, make decisions with their heads, etc. I'm curious how I can give more impactful readings for those that are ready to hear. I had to laugh when I heard the comment from Genoa about leaving them dumb! Curious if I'll even be able to speak when finally invited for all the times I'll be biting my tongue considering my conscious sun is the 17th gate 1st line . :)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Suzanna Stephan
>1/3 Emotional Projector
>
>
>
>Mary Ann Winiger wrote:
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>
>
>Hi Everybody,
>
>I would like to add my own experience to the discussion. When I had my
>reading I was very ok in my life. Other than searching for "enlightenment"
>;>) I was very happy with my life as it was. I wanted a reading because I
>was curious.
>If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me, I think I would have walked away
> from the reading saying "interesting" and never entered the experiment.
>
>In readings that I have given, it all depends who is sitting there.
>Sometimes the readings are very strong and I talk about the fears and
>horrors of not living according to that person's strategy. But it isn't
>about making them feel guilty or feel ashamed - it is more like a wake up
>call. You know - the alarm clock that wakes you up out of a sleep. Kind of
>like what Ra did for me. Only I have my own way of doing that.
>
>Other times, it's totally the opposite. The person is already so full of
>fear and worry, that I wrap every word I say carefully - so I don't add to
>that but help them see a way out.
>
>In all readings, I talk about the potential within them and encourage them
>to try the experiment so that they can truly live that potential.
>
>
>Mary Ann Winiger
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
> From: Eva Tajouri [mailto:eva.tajouri@glattnet.ch]
>Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:10 AM
>To: Mary Ann Winiger
>Cc: Professional Human Design Discussion
>Subject: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
>
>
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>Message:
>
>Hallo everybody
>
>I quite agree with Ilse and it is what I am also practising. The wonderful
>thing about Human Design is that it unables people to accept and love
>themselves as they are and we have to empower them, that is very important.
>It is a well known wisdom that energy follows thought. Guilt and shame are
>two words I know very well and I want to guide people away and not to give
>food to them.
>
>Eva Tajouri
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ilse Sendler"
>To: "Eva Tajouri"
>Cc: "Professional Human Design Discussion"
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:28 PM
>Subject: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
>
>
> > hi everybody,
> >
> > one thing I would like to discuss (also in addition to todays forum) is:
> >
> > why not stress the potentials instead of always or mainly talking about
> > the
> > problems and horrors and fears...?
> >
> > looking forward to our next meeting on May 29th, 16.00 GMT (18.00 MET)
> > all the best
> > Ilse
> >
> >
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Hi, Mary Ann Winiger; I loved what you wrote regarding knowing when to do the wake-up call or to tread lightly when giving a reading. I am not an analyst (yet?), have been into the experiement - becoming more wholeselfed in the experiment after 2 years. I would like to hear from you re: Reflectors and how to practice living with strategy of 'the wait"! from knowing other Reflectors? I met you in Sedona just as the office was moving and I felt a resonance then with you as well as now. Thank you
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hello all,
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caht on yahoo , so we can interact direct and live and dont have to
check the mail again and again this is 10 time i check my mail and if i
was in room chating it would ne much easy so here is the room for human
design under the heading RELIGION AND BELIFE ROOM NAME IS HUMAN DESIGN
ALL ARE WELCOME LOVE YOU ALL REGARDS

On Sun, 08 May 2005 Suzanna Stephan wrote :
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>Message:
>
>Mary Ann,
>
>Would you expand upon how the information was delivered when you say
>'If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me' as I have noticed that not
>all but many whom I've given readings to do not seem to apply the
>knowledge and continue to initiate, make decisions with their heads,
>etc. I'm curious how I can give more impactful readings for those that
>are ready to hear. I had to laugh when I heard the comment from Genoa
>about leaving them dumb! Curious if I'll even be able to speak when
>finally invited for all the times I'll be biting my tongue considering
>my conscious sun is the 17th gate 1st line . :)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Suzanna Stephan
>1/3 Emotional Projector
>
>
>
>Mary Ann Winiger wrote:
>(Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
>Message:
>
>
>Hi Everybody,
>
>I would like to add my own experience to the discussion. When I had my
>reading I was very ok in my life. Other than searching for
>"enlightenment"
>;>) I was very happy with my life as it was. I wanted a reading because
I
>was curious.
>If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me, I think I would have walked
away
> from the reading saying "interesting" and never entered the
experiment.
>
>In readings that I have given, it all depends who is sitting there.
>Sometimes the readings are very strong and I talk about the fears and
>horrors of not living according to that person's strategy. But it isn't

>about making them feel guilty or feel ashamed - it is more like a wake
>up call. You know - the alarm clock that wakes you up out of a sleep.
>Kind of like what Ra did for me. Only I have my own way of doing that.
>
>Other times, it's totally the opposite. The person is already so full
>of fear and worry, that I wrap every word I say carefully - so I don't
>add to that but help them see a way out.
>
>In all readings, I talk about the potential within them and encourage
>them to try the experiment so that they can truly live that potential.
>
>
>Mary Ann Winiger
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
> From: Eva Tajouri [mailto:eva.tajouri@glattnet.ch]
>Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:10 AM
>To: Mary Ann Winiger
>Cc: Professional Human Design Discussion
>Subject: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
>
>
>(Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
>Message:
>
>Hallo everybody
>
>I quite agree with Ilse and it is what I am also practising. The
>wonderful thing about Human Design is that it unables people to accept
>and love themselves as they are and we have to empower them, that is
>very important. It is a well known wisdom that energy follows thought.
>Guilt and shame are two words I know very well and I want to guide
>people away and not to give food to them.
>
>Eva Tajouri
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ilse Sendler"
>To: "Eva Tajouri"
>Cc: "Professional Human Design Discussion"
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:28 PM
>Subject: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
>
>
> > hi everybody,
> >
> > one thing I would like to discuss (also in addition to todays forum)

> > is:
> >
> > why not stress the potentials instead of always or mainly talking
> > about the problems and horrors and fears...?
> >
> > looking forward to our next meeting on May 29th, 16.00 GMT (18.00
> > MET) all the best Ilse
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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Thanks Genoa.
This morning a friend, who knows some of my past
history of being a follower, called and asked me a
question. "what is the difference of turning your life
over to HD and turning your life over to a person."
I have been answering this question for myself off and
on all day. The current letter of yours about being
yourself and living your design as yourself is helping
me continue to answer the question.
Thanks, Judy

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>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Thank you for your appreciation. I have receive so
> many letters, on
> my private email, as well as what has appeared here.
> This is very
> special, thank you. I want to let you know how
> important your
> appreciation is to me.
>
> After years of involvement with Human Design and the
> HD community, it
> is clear to me how important it is for each person
> to take up Human
> Design and make it their own. It is so important to
> realize that you
> can only know and use Human Design as yourself and
> develop this art
> and science as it has meaning to you. So, I
> encourage each person to
> make it yours, and to so very deeply, to do heart
> felt work with your
> friends, family, and all those people that you have
> a closeness
> with.... all of this as yourself, and in your own
> way, with your
> authenticity. No one can explain Human Design to
> your people, the way
> you can. It is a cultural and super-sensible thing.
> We need strong
> local communities, really strong local communities,
> that develop
> their own unique work and their own way of seeing,
> using, and growing
> through this magnificent information.
>
> While each one of us is challenged to make Human
> Design our own, and
> do it in our own way, Ra is in a different position.
> As the Clarion
> Messenger of the Voice, he needs to define the
> principles of Human
> Design in the simplest, clearest and most direct way
> possible. It is
> so important that the basics and the foundation
> concepts stay clear,
> unembellished and undistorted at the core. He has
> accepted this
> limitation. As important as this foundational
> limitation is, it is
> equally important for the rest of us to enculturate
> and to dress
> Human Design in the clothes that the people wear. It
> is of utmost
> importance to keep going back to the basic
> principles, taking them
> out, and dusting them off, to make sure that
> everything we are doing
> is genuinely aligned with the original pattern and
> core principles.
> This alignment is essential. But it is equally
> important to make
> Design relevant to your people, in your own way, and
> then make sure
> that Design has some decent clothes to wear in our
> own lives, our own
> communities, even in our own psyche.
>
> For me, I have been a lifetime student of
> meditation, the spiritual
> path, clairvoyant development, and cosmology. I have
> woken up every
> morning for the last 40 years, thinking of nothing
> besides cosmology,
> astronomy, the structure of the universe, and the
> nature of spiritual
> development, the evolution of the soul,
> relationships, and community.
> That is who I am. My way of Human Design will be a
> way to do that
> better. How could I encompass Design in any other
> way? Clarvoyant
> reality is how I do readings and how I teach. Design
> is the structure
> of those activities for me. I wish to extend those
> insights to
> others. After 36 years of Zen meditation, I am not
> about to try to
> make that awesome dimensions of that reality
> disappear to toe any
> party line, and neither should anyone else. Dust off
> the
> principles... be yourself. Dust off the
> principles... be yourself.
> Over and over. So, it is so important to do Design
> from who you are
> and make it clear that that is exactly what you are
> doing.
>
> As examples, Randy helps people who are in
> self-destructive despair
> because that is what he knows; he knows how to help
> people back from
> the edge. Martin uses Human Design to cure
> intergenerational
> illnesses and to make people well for the first time
> in their lives -
> because that is who he is and has always been. We
> need to make "being
> yourself" being yourself within Design itself.
> There is incredible
> richness, life, originality in the people who have
> been attracted to
> this knowledge. Human Design needs you more than
> you need Design.
> Many peoples work is inspiring in the truest sense
> of the word, and
> they are setting extraordinary examples of how
> Design informs and
> empowers the work of specific and unique work. There
> is that moment
> when one hits true "rapid learning" to do awesome
> and original work
> with Design. We are looking for that moment for each
> of you. This is
> when you really learn it, because it serves your
> mission. We need
> more and more of that kind of originality, using it
> for what you are
> best at. More grounding in very thing that each of
> you see that only
> you can see, because you are you, and no one else.
>
> Yours,
> Genoa
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2005, at 8:55 PM, kaye russell wrote:
>
>
> > (Replying to this email will send your message to
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> >
> > Hi, Mary Ann Winiger; I loved what you wrote
> regarding knowing when
> > to do the wake-up call or to tread lightly when
> giving a reading.
> > I am not an analyst (yet?), have been into the
> experiement -
> > becoming more wholeselfed in the experiment after
> 2 years. I would
> > like to hear from you re: Reflectors and how to
> practice living
> > with strategy of 'the wait"! from knowing other
> Reflectors? I met
> > you in Sedona just as the office was moving and I
> felt a resonance
> > then with you as well as now. Thank you
> > Kaye
> >
> > Human Design Online
> wrote:
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> > http://67.19.1.138/v4/login.asp?r=655a74fc&p=0
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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Hi,

Does anyone have any input about the 35 line 2, Creative Block? I can get
that it is about constantly feeling like a having a change and a tendency in
the not self to think that change is something that you can 'do' on demand
with a certain goal in mind. I am confused, in that this is a 'hermit'
line so there would be no particular self conciousness of this itch for
change. Do those of us looking in that kitchen window at the hermit see
someone with a creative block? Or is it the subjective sense for the 35-2
that they have a Creative block?

Certainly my friend who has for her personality sun is complaining about
being stuck.

thanks,

Kumud

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I am Chiara Gasparro, living in Sedona, Arizona, a Manifesting Generator,
Emotional Authority, 1/3 Profile, in eighth year of HD experiment, HD
Analyst and Teacher.

After reading Ilse

Nicely put Chiara. We are, each one of us, here to be our own self (easy
for me to say as a 10-20!) But each one of us is also here to be our
specific not-self. We serve in so doing. Trying to "be what we are" or
trying to "not be what we are" results in a sickness of spirit. I can't
talk like Ra or Chetan, 2 people who both taught me a lot about HD. I
don't try to. I look at a chart, I spend some hours going over it,
thinking about it, writing about it, and when I am with a person I speak
from my 17-62. I share the details that I have organized. I'm not
responsible for what the other person "hears", only for what I say, and
I say my best (poor as it may be in the eyes of another). When I sit
beside a person and read for them, I know they are having an impact on
my 4 open and 2 undefined centers - I'm OK with that. I know they will
hear what they need to hear - no more, no less.

kip

chiara gasparro wrote:

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>I am Chiara Gasparro, living in Sedona, Arizona, a Manifesting Generator,
>Emotional Authority, 1/3 Profile, in eighth year of HD experiment, HD
>Analyst and Teacher.
>
>After reading Ilse's email, I remembered the email I quote below and sent
>to Ra and a couple of others back in May of 2002, after receiving some
>guidelines having to do with the designing of the new IHDS Professional
>Analyst Certification.
>
>My HD Analyses are designed to empower the person... I am also speaking to
>the Individual and not according to a set formula... I have no choice... it's
>what I do... my purpose is to bring consciousness into form... it is not in my
>nature to focus on "horrors, problems and fears," as Ilse rightly
>questioned in her email a few hours ago.
>
>It has been important, first to honor my own voice in giving a reading,
>then to connect with the Client and weave the rest of the reading into the
>specific design needed for that person, in this moment and to let go into
>the guidance that lights up the situation, each reading needing to be
>individually designed and not "canned" or so "formula oriented" that it
>loses the human dimension.
>
>Following is the quote:
>
>"With the new guidelines and programs forming, I hope the throat vibrations
>specific to the Design of the HD Analyst will be honored in the training
>for giving HD Analyses.
>This is crucial, both because the entire respiratory system is affected by
>words (words being the exhales happening before the next inhale, and that
>inhale bringing in energy for the next words to be expressed).
>Using one's natural vibrations held in the throat allow the throat,
>thyroid, metabolic processes, etc., to remain strong and vibrant during the
>many hours devoted to taping their Human Design Analyses.
>
>In my case, I went through much anxiety in attempting to do the tapes as I
>thought I was being directed to do via those early days of training.
>My throat was under much tension.
>After all, words are simply sculptured exhales!!
>So my entire breathing and respiratory system was being put under
>tremendous pressure, including "Not-Self" pressure.
>And, among other specifics to my HD which I won't go into now, I have 56.1
>in Pluto, Personality and Design!!
>My truth is expressed from the story with universal applications, the
>parable.
>No wonder there was pressure on my throat!!
>
>To pass the taped reading qualification, it took about three taped readings
>for me to be able to suppress my own natural voice and its natural way of
>breathing and I almost dropped out of the entire HD scenario.
>I, who had even done a live radio show in my past... no problem... I was able
>to speak in my natural voice on my own radio show.
>Well, I finally did pass my taped reading exam "with qualifications."
>
>Many HD Analyses tapes later, I finally just had to do them in a way that
>honored my own Human Design, allow my readings to be longer than was
>recommended and also honor my triple splits, which not only digest
>information in three different areas, but also give information from three
>different areas!
>I feel that I am able to do a fine reading using the natural vibrations of
>my throat, and not to put myself down because my readings are longer or in
>more detail that what I was "trained" to do.
>
>I suspect others who are not so attuned to the breath do not find this so
>much of an issue; yet, there are some trained Analysts who tell me that
>they are not doing HD Analysis Readings, and I wonder if this has something
>to do with "How do I integrate my natural voice and breathing with the
>professional standards required to do a Professional HD Analysis Reading?"
>
>So, contributing to the subject of Ilse's email, first and primary, I
>attend to honoring my own natural voice and its vibrations.
>Then I am relaxed into speaking from my own natural voice and I am better
>able to connect with my Client as I plant the seeds of awakening into their
>personal "Human Design."
>
>Love is in the air we breathe, Chiara
>
>
>
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Eva Tajouri
>>To: Chiara Gasparro
>>Cc: Professional Human Design Discussion
>>Date: 5/8/2005 4:09:13 AM
>>Subject: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
>>
>>(Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
>>Message:
>>
>>Hallo everybody
>>
>>I quite agree with Ilse and it is what I am also practising. The
>>
>>
>wonderful
>
>
>>thing about Human Design is that it unables people to accept and love
>>themselves as they are and we have to empower them, that is very
>>
>>
>important.
>
>
>>It is a well known wisdom that energy follows thought. Guilt and shame
>>
>>
>are
>
>
>>two words I know very well and I want to guide people away and not to
>>
>>
>give
>
>
>>food to them.
>>
>>Eva Tajouri
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ilse Sendler"
>>To: "Eva Tajouri"
>>Cc: "Professional Human Design Discussion"
>>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:28 PM
>>Subject: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>hi everybody,
>>>
>>>one thing I would like to discuss (also in addition to todays forum) is:
>>>
>>>why not stress the potentials instead of always or mainly talking about
>>>the
>>>problems and horrors and fears...?
>>>
>>>looking forward to our next meeting on May 29th, 16.00 GMT (18.00 MET)
>>>all the best
>>>Ilse
>>>
>>>
>>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
>>>
>>>
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>et.ch
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>>
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Mary Ann,

Would you expand upon how the information was delivered when you say 'If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me' as I have noticed that not all but many whom I've given readings to do not seem to apply the knowledge and continue to initiate, make decisions with their heads, etc. I'm curious how I can give more impactful readings for those that are ready to hear. I had to laugh when I heard the comment from Genoa about leaving them dumb! Curious if I'll even be able to speak when finally invited for all the times I'll be biting my tongue considering my conscious sun is the 17th gate 1st line . :)

Thanks!

Suzanna Stephan
1/3 Emotional Projector

Mary Ann Winiger wrote:
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Hi Everybody,

I would like to add my own experience to the discussion. When I had my
reading I was very ok in my life. Other than searching for "enlightenment"
;>) I was very happy with my life as it was. I wanted a reading because I
was curious.
If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me, I think I would have walked away
from the reading saying "interesting" and never entered the experiment.

In readings that I have given, it all depends who is sitting there.
Sometimes the readings are very strong and I talk about the fears and
horrors of not living according to that person's strategy. But it isn't
about making them feel guilty or feel ashamed - it is more like a wake up
call. You know - the alarm clock that wakes you up out of a sleep. Kind of
like what Ra did for me. Only I have my own way of doing that.

Other times, it's totally the opposite. The person is already so full of
fear and worry, that I wrap every word I say carefully - so I don't add to
that but help them see a way out.

In all readings, I talk about the potential within them and encourage them
to try the experiment so that they can truly live that potential.

Mary Ann Winiger

-----Original Message-----
From: Eva Tajouri [mailto:eva.tajouri@glattnet.ch]
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:10 AM
To: Mary Ann Winiger
Cc: Professional Human Design Discussion
Subject: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic

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Hallo everybody

I quite agree with Ilse and it is what I am also practising. The wonderful
thing about Human Design is that it unables people to accept and love
themselves as they are and we have to empower them, that is very important.
It is a well known wisdom that energy follows thought. Guilt and shame are
two words I know very well and I want to guide people away and not to give
food to them.

Eva Tajouri

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ilse Sendler"
To: "Eva Tajouri"
Cc: "Professional Human Design Discussion"
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:28 PM
Subject: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic

> hi everybody,
>
> one thing I would like to discuss (also in addition to todays forum) is:
>
> why not stress the potentials instead of always or mainly talking about
> the
> problems and horrors and fears...?
>
> looking forward to our next meeting on May 29th, 16.00 GMT (18.00 MET)
> all the best
> Ilse
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From: Mary Ann Winiger [mailto:responding@charter.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 10:49 PM
To: gennaro@humandesignonline.com
Subject: RE: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic

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Hi Suzanna,

I'm new to HumanDesignOnline and I didn't know about the forum. I've
marked my calendar for the next one! I'm sorry I missed all that was
shared about the Projector. It sounded like a great discussion.

In response to your email .... a little more about what I wrote. I am
a 6/2 Splenic Generator with a split definition. My split is the 7/31
definition between my throat and my G center. The other part is my
sacral/spleen/root definition. I mostly lived out the throat/G center
aspect of me in my life before my reading.

There were a few things that Ra said to me in my reading that went
deeply into me .... and in a sense put some "fear" into me. All my
readings have been transcribed, so I'll just pull out some of the things
he said that really got to me and include them at the end of this email.

It wasn't like I was told things to make me afraid. I was simply told
the truth. And sometimes it wasn't very comfortable. But the one thing
that was consistent in my reading is that no matter what I was told - no
matter how it sounded - no matter how it may have freaked me out - I was
always told that my sacral response would protect me.

Mary Ann Winiger

Excerpts from my reading (not necessarily in order):

"The Sun here is all about the 70% of your personality you need to
express. The 44 and the 41, your two Suns, everything that you are it's
all in this. If you're not responding out of your sacral you're living
in a dark room and it's not you. It's very important for you to
understand that. Your Sun shines out of the sacral response."

"You're either going to be neurotic as hell and continue to be neurotic
as hell, or you're going to be fine. Because it comes down to that -
the moment that you're in your response, you're really stable. It's the
difference between being a weed and being an oak tree. You're really
stable because it's real grounding for you."

"The 12 is also a gate that speaks of caution and meditation in the face
of temptation. And the temptation is always to be social at the wrong
time. For you, the nature of when you can go out into the world always
has to be dictated by your sacral. Always, because there are times when
it's not correct for you to go out there. The 12th gate is always open
to melancholy. And it's always open to moodiness. So, the thing for
you to see that in terms of what happens to you in the world that if
your mood isn' t right, you're not going to be right. You have to be in
the mood for things-for love, for play, for work, for wherever it is.
You really have to be in the mood. Otherwise, don't get involved. The
whole thing is that your sacral is always going to know what is right
for you or not. Always. If things are not right for you, you take
risks that are very dangerous. This is one of those things for you to
know, if you're not in the right mood, if you're taken out into
something, it is not healthy for you. It's just not healthy for you."

"You see, what happened to you is because of the nature of your open
mind, and your lack of ego and your lack of emotional definition
everybody just cranked you up and took advantage of those capacities.
And when it was no longer functional they could get you out."

"Because you are a 27, the nurturer, and it's unconscious, you get
suckered into caring for all kinds of nonsense in your life. This is
something that slowly you have to really see clearly for yourself, your
sacral never
committed to that stuff. It drains you; it's not good for you."

"Because you're not here to take risks at your own initiative, you're
only here to take risks out of response. And of course, when you
understand that the splenic system is your body's immune system and your
health system, what it's saying to you is your immune system is perfect
in response, but it's desperately weak when you're trying to initiate.
So out of response you're really healthy, the risks are healthy. It's
not you jumping into the risk because then it's very dangerous for you."

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Dear Nana,

Thank you (arigato) for your observations about the different cultural
perspectives. I will contemplate the difference of the I and you. That is
quite a difference. Also, with my completely open throat and no gates there,
I have a tendency to do 120%. It has been the area of my not-self that I
have had to work on the most over the last 6 years.

Live life to its fullest - live your Design.

Cathy Kinnaird
4/6 Emotional Pure Generator, RAX Vessel of Love

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Thank you, Chiara.
I am very conscious about my manifestor channel ( 12/22)
But I have not forcused to my projector mind. I do in a way, but not so
conscously.
Yes, I can feel and experience there as projected mind.(I have split
between the mind and the throat)
You are always big help to me.
Thank you !!!!
And I was talking with another analysts in Japan and we agreed that
Japanese(or Asians) have a little bit different experience with
explanations about channels and gates and everything.
I mean that I am finding that when I give reading to Japanese people, I
have to find the way to fit in our cultual background. So far, all the
explanations are based on western cultual background.
Of course, HDS is for all the people on the earth, but how we are now is in
the air of what we breathed in the culture. We are conditioned by differnt
cultures.
It is very intresting and I am finding deeper part of myself.
one love, one world
nana

Hi All ~~~
The references to particular gates in this discussion - would these same sentences/phrases for particular gates apply to anyone - a reflector?  Or is that dependent upon type, circuits  and or more.  I am asking with interest specifically about gate 12 which I have and wondering how a reflector knows (compared to a generator's response) on a daily basis.  Lately I seem to be turning down more invitations than I am accepting which is OK and great.  Simply wanting to learn.
Kaye

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Thanks. :)

Suzanna

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Hi Suzanna,

I'm new to HumanDesignOnline and I didn't know about the forum. I've marked
my calendar for the next one! I'm sorry I missed all that was shared about
the Projector. It sounded like a great discussion.

In response to your email .... a little more about what I wrote. I am a
6/2 Splenic Generator with a split definition. My split is the 7/31
definition between my throat and my G center. The other part is my
sacral/spleen/root definition. I mostly lived out the throat/G center aspect
of me in my life before my reading.

There were a few things that Ra said to me in my reading that went
deeply
into me .... and in a sense put some "fear" into me. All my readings have
been transcribed, so I'll just pull out some of the things he said that
really got to me and include them at the end of this email.

It wasn't like I was told things to make me afraid. I was simply told the
truth. And sometimes it wasn't very comfortable. But the one thing that was
consistent in my reading is that no matter what I was told - no matter how
it sounded - no matter how it may have freaked me out - I was always told
that my sacral response would protect me.


Mary Ann Winiger


Excerpts from my reading (not necessarily in order):

"The Sun here is all about the 70% of your personality you need to express.
The 44 and the 41, your two Suns, everything that you are it's all in this.
If you're not responding out of your sacral you're living in a dark room and
it's not you. It's very important for you to understand that. Your
Sun
shines out of the sacral response."

"You're either going to be neurotic as hell and continue to be neurotic as
hell, or you're going to be fine. Because it comes down to that - the
moment that you're in your response, you're really stable. It's the
difference between being a weed and being an oak tree. You're really stable
because it's real grounding for you."

"The 12 is also a gate that speaks of caution and meditation in the face of
temptation. And the temptation is always to be social at the wrong time.
For you, the nature of when you can go out into the world always has to be
dictated by your sacral. Always, because there are times when it's not
correct for you to go out there. The 12th gate is always open to
melancholy. And it's always open to moodiness. So, the thing for you to
see that in terms of what happens to you in the world that if your mood isn'
t right, you're not going to be right. You have to be in the mood
for
things-for love, for play, for work, for wherever it is. You really have to
be in the mood. Otherwise, don't get involved. The whole thing is that your
sacral is always going to know what is right for you or not. Always. If
things are not right for you, you take risks that are very dangerous. This
is one of those things for you to know, if you're not in the right mood, if
you're taken out into something, it is not healthy for you. It's just not
healthy for you."

"You see, what happened to you is because of the nature of your open mind,
and your lack of ego and your lack of emotional definition everybody just
cranked you up and took advantage of those capacities. And when it was no
longer functional they could get you out."

"Because you are a 27, the nurturer, and it's unconscious, you get suckered
into caring for all kinds of nonsense in your life. This is something that
slowly you have to really see clearly for yourself, your
sacral never
committed to that stuff. It drains you; it's not good for you."

"Because you're not here to take risks at your own initiative, you're only
here to take risks out of response. And of course, when you understand that
the splenic system is your body's immune system and your health system, what
it's saying to you is your immune system is perfect in response, but it's
desperately weak when you're trying to initiate. So out of response you're
really healthy, the risks are healthy. It's not you jumping into the risk
because then it's very dangerous for you."




-----Original Message-----
From: Suzanna Stephan [mailto:suzannastephan@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:10 PM
To: Mary Ann Winiger
Subject: RE: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic


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Mary Ann,

Would you expand upon how the information was delivered when you say 'If
Ra
hadn't put a little "fear" into me' as I have noticed that not all but many
whom I've given readings to do not seem to apply the knowledge and continue
to initiate, make decisions with their heads, etc. I'm curious how I can
give more impactful readings for those that are ready to hear. I had to
laugh when I heard the comment from Genoa about leaving them dumb! Curious
if I'll even be able to speak when finally invited for all the times I'll be
biting my tongue considering my conscious sun is the 17th gate 1st line . :)

Thanks!

Suzanna Stephan
1/3 Emotional Projector



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Hi Everybody,

I would like to add my own experience to the discussion. When I had my
reading I was very ok in my life. Other than searching for "enlightenment"
;>) I was very happy with my life as it was. I wanted a reading because I
was
curious.
If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me, I think I would have walked away
from the reading saying "interesting" and never entered the experiment.

In readings that I have given, it all depends who is sitting there.
Sometimes the readings are very strong and I talk about the fears and
horrors of not living according to that person's strategy. But it isn't
about making them feel guilty or feel ashamed - it is more like a wake up
call. You know - the alarm clock that wakes you up out of a sleep. Kind of
like what Ra did for me. Only I have my own way of doing that.

Other times, it's totally the opposite. The person is already so full of
fear and worry, that I wrap every word I say carefully - so I don't add to
that but help them see a way out.

In all readings, I talk about the potential within them and encourage them
to try the experiment so that they can truly live that potential.


Mary Ann
Winiger





-----Original Message-----
From: Eva Tajouri [mailto:eva.tajouri@glattnet.ch]
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:10 AM
To: Mary Ann Winiger
Cc: Professional Human Design Discussion
Subject: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic


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Hallo everybody

I quite agree with Ilse and it is what I am also practising. The wonderful
thing about Human Design is that it unables people to accept and love
themselves as they are and we have to empower them, that is very important.
It is a well known wisdom that energy follows thought. Guilt and shame are
two words I know very well and I want to guide people away and not to give
food to them.

Eva Tajouri

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ilse Sendler"
To: "Eva Tajouri"
Cc: "Professional Human Design Discussion"
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:28 PM
Subject: [HumanDesignPro]
discussion topic


> hi everybody,
>
> one thing I would like to discuss (also in addition to todays forum) is:
>
> why not stress the potentials instead of always or mainly talking about
> the
> problems and horrors and fears...?
>
> looking forward to our next meeting on May 29th, 16.00 GMT (18.00 MET)
> all the best
> Ilse
>
>
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> From: Genoa Bliven
> Date: 2005/05/23 Mon PM 10:30:46 GMT
> To: Jacqui Smith
> Subject: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
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> Dear Genoa - thank you for this. It's one of the most authentic and heartfelt pieces of writing I have ever read.
A gem - Thank you.
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> Dear Friends,
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> Thank you for your appreciation. I have receive so many letters, on
> my private email, as well as what has appeared here. This is very
> special, thank you. I want to let you know how important your
> appreciation is to me.
>
> After years of involvement with Human Design and the HD community, it
> is clear to me how important it is for each person to take up Human
> Design and make it their own. It is so important to realize that you
> can only know and use Human Design as yourself and develop this art
> and science as it has meaning to you. So, I encourage each person to
> make it yours, and to so very deeply, to do heart felt work with your
> friends, family, and all those people that you have a closeness
> with.... all of this as yourself, and in your own way, with your
> authenticity. No one can explain Human Design to your people, the way
> you can. It is a cultural and super-sensible thing. We need strong
> local communities, really strong local communities, that develop
> their own unique work and their own way of seeing, using, and growing
> through this magnificent information.
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> While each one of us is challenged to make Human Design our own, and
> do it in our own way, Ra is in a different position. As the Clarion
> Messenger of the Voice, he needs to define the principles of Human
> Design in the simplest, clearest and most direct way possible. It is
> so important that the basics and the foundation concepts stay clear,
> unembellished and undistorted at the core. He has accepted this
> limitation. As important as this foundational limitation is, it is
> equally important for the rest of us to enculturate and to dress
> Human Design in the clothes that the people wear. It is of utmost
> importance to keep going back to the basic principles, taking them
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> This alignment is essential. But it is equally important to make
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> For me, I have been a lifetime student of meditation, the spiritual
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> That is who I am. My way of Human Design will be a way to do that
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> others. After 36 years of Zen meditation, I am not about to try to
> make that awesome dimensions of that reality disappear to toe any
> party line, and neither should anyone else. Dust off the
> principles... be yourself. Dust off the principles... be yourself.
> Over and over. So, it is so important to do Design from who you are
> and make it clear that that is exactly what you are doing.
>
> As examples, Randy helps people who are in self-destructive despair
> because that is what he knows; he knows how to help people back from
> the edge. Martin uses Human Design to cure intergenerational
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> because that is who he is and has always been. We need to make "being
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> richness, life, originality in the people who have been attracted to
> this knowledge. Human Design needs you more than you need Design.
> Many peoples work is inspiring in the truest sense of the word, and
> they are setting extraordinary examples of how Design informs and
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> > I am not an analyst (yet?), have been into the experiement -
> > becoming more wholeselfed in the experiment after 2 years. I would
> > like to hear from you re: Reflectors and how to practice living
> > with strategy of 'the wait"! from knowing other Reflectors? I met
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> > then with you as well as now. Thank you
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> >> Would you expand upon how the information was delivered when you say
> >> 'If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me' as I have noticed that not
> >> all but many whom I've given readings to do not seem to apply the
> >> knowledge and continue to initiate, make decisions with their heads,
> >> etc. I'm curious how I can give more impactful readings for those
> >> that
> >> are ready to hear. I had to laugh when I heard the comment from Genoa
> >> about leaving them dumb! Curious if I'll even be able to speak when
> >> finally invited for all the times I'll be biting my tongue
> >> considering
> >> my conscious sun is the 17th gate 1st line . :)
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Suzanna Stephan
> >> 1/3 Emotional Projector
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mary Ann Winiger wrote:
> >> (Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
> >> Message:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Everybody,
> >>
> >> I would like to add my own experience to the discussion. When I
> >> had my
> >> reading I was very ok in my life. Other than searching for
> >> "enlightenment"
> >> ;>) I was very happy with my life as it was. I wanted a reading
> >> because
> >>
> >>
> > I
> >
> >
> >> was curious.
> >> If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me, I think I would have walked
> >>
> >>
> > away
> >
> >
> >> from the reading saying "interesting" and never entered the
> >>
> >>
> > experiment.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> In readings that I have given, it all depends who is sitting there.
> >> Sometimes the readings are very strong and I talk about the fears and
> >> horrors of not living according to that person's strategy. But it
> >> isn't
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> about making them feel guilty or feel ashamed - it is more like a
> >> wake
> >> up call. You know - the alarm clock that wakes you up out of a sleep.
> >> Kind of like what Ra did for me. Only I have my own way of doing
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Other times, it's totally the opposite. The person is already so full
> >> of fear and worry, that I wrap every word I say carefully - so I
> >> don't
> >> add to that but help them see a way out.
> >>
> >> In all readings, I talk about the potential within them and encourage
> >> them to try the experiment so that they can truly live that
> >> potential.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mary Ann Winiger
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Eva Tajouri [mailto:eva.tajouri@glattnet.ch]
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:10 AM
> >> To: Mary Ann Winiger
> >> Cc: Professional Human Design Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
> >>
> >>
> >> (Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
> >> Message:
> >>
> >> Hallo everybody
> >>
> >> I quite agree with Ilse and it is what I am also practising. The
> >> wonderful thing about Human Design is that it unables people to
> >> accept
> >> and love themselves as they are and we have to empower them, that is
> >> very important. It is a well known wisdom that energy follows
> >> thought.
> >> Guilt and shame are two words I know very well and I want to guide
> >> people away and not to give food to them.
> >>
> >> Eva Tajouri
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ilse Sendler"
> >> To: "Eva Tajouri"
> >> Cc: "Professional Human Design Discussion"
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:28 PM
> >> Subject: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> hi everybody,
> >>>
> >>> one thing I would like to discuss (also in addition to todays forum)
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> is:
> >>>
> >>> why not stress the potentials instead of always or mainly talking
> >>> about the problems and horrors and fears...?
> >>>
> >>> looking forward to our next meeting on May 29th, 16.00 GMT (18.00
> >>> MET) all the best Ilse
> >>>
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Joanne,

I was in my garden smelling my roses ,enjoying the birds and the
sun...thought of you...and remembered how important simple things are.

See you on line
Josette

-----Original Message-----
From: Joanne Simpson [mailto:joanne@cerato.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:10 AM
To: josette
Subject: RE: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic

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I love the ordinariness of my life. My family, my friends, my pets and the
creatures that come into my garden, the birds and the bees.

My daughter is about to celebrate her 18th birthday on June 16th and I am so
grateful to the knowledge I received about Human Design, 5 years ago, as it
saved our relationship. We have cut a smooth path together since getting
this information. We are so different, by design, and Human Design gives us
a way to discuss and live out our differences in relative harmony. To be
together in a family, married for 21 years, and having nurtured two young
people into adulthood is a great reward in light of my upbringing and the
challenges I have faced getting to live past 40 years of age.

Human Design Rules Okay
and learning to love myself helps smooth my path through life.
Joanne Simpson

4/6 Emotional Projector, Contagion
16.02.1962 - 20.20 - Malaysia, Malaya - Malacca, Malaka

-----Original Message-----
From: jacqui_s@ntlworld.com [mailto:jacqui_s@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 07 June 2005 10:39
To: Joanne Simpson
Subject: Re: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic

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>
> From: Genoa Bliven
> Date: 2005/05/23 Mon PM 10:30:46 GMT
> To: Jacqui Smith
> Subject: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
>
> (Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
> Dear Genoa - thank you for this. It's one of the most authentic and
heartfelt pieces of writing I have ever read.
A gem - Thank you.
Jacqui
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Thank you for your appreciation. I have receive so many letters, on
> my private email, as well as what has appeared here. This is very
> special, thank you. I want to let you know how important your
> appreciation is to me.
>
> After years of involvement with Human Design and the HD community, it
> is clear to me how important it is for each person to take up Human
> Design and make it their own. It is so important to realize that you
> can only know and use Human Design as yourself and develop this art
> and science as it has meaning to you. So, I encourage each person to
> make it yours, and to so very deeply, to do heart felt work with your
> friends, family, and all those people that you have a closeness
> with.... all of this as yourself, and in your own way, with your
> authenticity. No one can explain Human Design to your people, the way
> you can. It is a cultural and super-sensible thing. We need strong
> local communities, really strong local communities, that develop
> their own unique work and their own way of seeing, using, and growing
> through this magnificent information.
>
> While each one of us is challenged to make Human Design our own, and
> do it in our own way, Ra is in a different position. As the Clarion
> Messenger of the Voice, he needs to define the principles of Human
> Design in the simplest, clearest and most direct way possible. It is
> so important that the basics and the foundation concepts stay clear,
> unembellished and undistorted at the core. He has accepted this
> limitation. As important as this foundational limitation is, it is
> equally important for the rest of us to enculturate and to dress
> Human Design in the clothes that the people wear. It is of utmost
> importance to keep going back to the basic principles, taking them
> out, and dusting them off, to make sure that everything we are doing
> is genuinely aligned with the original pattern and core principles.
> This alignment is essential. But it is equally important to make
> Design relevant to your people, in your own way, and then make sure
> that Design has some decent clothes to wear in our own lives, our own
> communities, even in our own psyche.
>
> For me, I have been a lifetime student of meditation, the spiritual
> path, clairvoyant development, and cosmology. I have woken up every
> morning for the last 40 years, thinking of nothing besides cosmology,
> astronomy, the structure of the universe, and the nature of spiritual
> development, the evolution of the soul, relationships, and community.
> That is who I am. My way of Human Design will be a way to do that
> better. How could I encompass Design in any other way? Clarvoyant
> reality is how I do readings and how I teach. Design is the structure
> of those activities for me. I wish to extend those insights to
> others. After 36 years of Zen meditation, I am not about to try to
> make that awesome dimensions of that reality disappear to toe any
> party line, and neither should anyone else. Dust off the
> principles... be yourself. Dust off the principles... be yourself.
> Over and over. So, it is so important to do Design from who you are
> and make it clear that that is exactly what you are doing.
>
> As examples, Randy helps people who are in self-destructive despair
> because that is what he knows; he knows how to help people back from
> the edge. Martin uses Human Design to cure intergenerational
> illnesses and to make people well for the first time in their lives -
> because that is who he is and has always been. We need to make "being
> yourself" being yourself within Design itself. There is incredible
> richness, life, originality in the people who have been attracted to
> this knowledge. Human Design needs you more than you need Design.
> Many peoples work is inspiring in the truest sense of the word, and
> they are setting extraordinary examples of how Design informs and
> empowers the work of specific and unique work. There is that moment
> when one hits true "rapid learning" to do awesome and original work
> with Design. We are looking for that moment for each of you. This is
> when you really learn it, because it serves your mission. We need
> more and more of that kind of originality, using it for what you are
> best at. More grounding in very thing that each of you see that only
> you can see, because you are you, and no one else.
>
> Yours,
> Genoa
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2005, at 8:55 PM, kaye russell wrote:
>
>
> > (Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
> >
> >
> > Hi, Mary Ann Winiger; I loved what you wrote regarding knowing when
> > to do the wake-up call or to tread lightly when giving a reading.
> > I am not an analyst (yet?), have been into the experiement -
> > becoming more wholeselfed in the experiment after 2 years. I would
> > like to hear from you re: Reflectors and how to practice living
> > with strategy of 'the wait"! from knowing other Reflectors? I met
> > you in Sedona just as the office was moving and I felt a resonance
> > then with you as well as now. Thank you
> > Kaye
> >
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> >
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> > accessed directly from the main page of HDO. You can surf the web
> > together, look at charts, talk and text chat.
> > Here is the link:
> > http://67.19.1.138/v4/login.asp?r=655a74fc&p=0
> > But also don't forget there is a special classroom for this specific
> > Professional Forum. It is at the bottom of every one of these emails.
> >
> > --------------------
> > www.HumanDesignOnline.com
> > Forum, Glossary, Interactive Community, Online Education
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: manpreet singh singh [mailto:manpreetsingh70@rediffmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 8:26 PM
> > To: gennaro@humandesignonline.com
> > Subject: Re: RE: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
> >
> >
> > (Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
> > Message:
> >
> >
> > hello all,
> > i know this is working well but how would you all like to
> > caht on yahoo , so we can interact direct and live and dont have to
> > check the mail again and again this is 10 time i check my mail and
> > if i
> > was in room chating it would ne much easy so here is the room for
> > human
> > design under the heading RELIGION AND BELIFE ROOM NAME IS HUMAN DESIGN
> > ALL ARE WELCOME LOVE YOU ALL REGARDS
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 08 May 2005 Suzanna Stephan wrote :
> >
> >
> >> (Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
> >> Message:
> >>
> >> Mary Ann,
> >>
> >> Would you expand upon how the information was delivered when you say
> >> 'If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me' as I have noticed that not
> >> all but many whom I've given readings to do not seem to apply the
> >> knowledge and continue to initiate, make decisions with their heads,
> >> etc. I'm curious how I can give more impactful readings for those
> >> that
> >> are ready to hear. I had to laugh when I heard the comment from Genoa
> >> about leaving them dumb! Curious if I'll even be able to speak when
> >> finally invited for all the times I'll be biting my tongue
> >> considering
> >> my conscious sun is the 17th gate 1st line . :)
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Suzanna Stephan
> >> 1/3 Emotional Projector
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mary Ann Winiger wrote:
> >> (Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
> >> Message:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Everybody,
> >>
> >> I would like to add my own experience to the discussion. When I
> >> had my
> >> reading I was very ok in my life. Other than searching for
> >> "enlightenment"
> >> ;>) I was very happy with my life as it was. I wanted a reading
> >> because
> >>
> >>
> > I
> >
> >
> >> was curious.
> >> If Ra hadn't put a little "fear" into me, I think I would have walked
> >>
> >>
> > away
> >
> >
> >> from the reading saying "interesting" and never entered the
> >>
> >>
> > experiment.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> In readings that I have given, it all depends who is sitting there.
> >> Sometimes the readings are very strong and I talk about the fears and
> >> horrors of not living according to that person's strategy. But it
> >> isn't
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> about making them feel guilty or feel ashamed - it is more like a
> >> wake
> >> up call. You know - the alarm clock that wakes you up out of a sleep.
> >> Kind of like what Ra did for me. Only I have my own way of doing
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Other times, it's totally the opposite. The person is already so full
> >> of fear and worry, that I wrap every word I say carefully - so I
> >> don't
> >> add to that but help them see a way out.
> >>
> >> In all readings, I talk about the potential within them and encourage
> >> them to try the experiment so that they can truly live that
> >> potential.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mary Ann Winiger
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Eva Tajouri [mailto:eva.tajouri@glattnet.ch]
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:10 AM
> >> To: Mary Ann Winiger
> >> Cc: Professional Human Design Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
> >>
> >>
> >> (Replying to this email will send your message to everyone)
> >> Message:
> >>
> >> Hallo everybody
> >>
> >> I quite agree with Ilse and it is what I am also practising. The
> >> wonderful thing about Human Design is that it unables people to
> >> accept
> >> and love themselves as they are and we have to empower them, that is
> >> very important. It is a well known wisdom that energy follows
> >> thought.
> >> Guilt and shame are two words I know very well and I want to guide
> >> people away and not to give food to them.
> >>
> >> Eva Tajouri
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ilse Sendler"
> >> To: "Eva Tajouri"
> >> Cc: "Professional Human Design Discussion"
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:28 PM
> >> Subject: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> hi everybody,
> >>>
> >>> one thing I would like to discuss (also in addition to todays forum)
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> is:
> >>>
> >>> why not stress the potentials instead of always or mainly talking
> >>> about the problems and horrors and fears...?
> >>>
> >>> looking forward to our next meeting on May 29th, 16.00 GMT (18.00
> >>> MET) all the best Ilse
> >>>
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lfnow.com

hi jacqui/

thanks for mulling. thanks also for redirecting my attention to
"following ... strategy and learning to respond in the moment to ...
spleen ... while letting go of other peoples emotions". In the same way
that "in the beginning I was very int in detail, but that was a
distraction for me from the basics which I needed to get hold of" I'm
sure that I'm open to the same distraction. so, this is well taken. I
know that this is the answer really; but I've much to learn in managing
the fidgets. thanks.

Mmmmm - wild dolphins! Aren't they amazing? and.... superior? When I
saw them i was hypnotised by the way that they can swim alongside a
fast moving boat without apparently moving a single muscle. And
capitivated by the way they play with a boat - one even swam on its
side, so that it could get a better view of us!

best wishes
/michael

On 13 Jun 2005, at 20:41, jacqui_s@ntlworld.com wrote:

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> From: michael hales
> Date: 2005/06/07 Tue PM 05:18:15 GMT
> To: Jacqui Smith
> Subject: Re: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
>
> Hi Michael - sorry this has taken me a while. I've been mulling.
> The answer is that I only have three second lines in my design and I'm
> not clear how they affect my design as separate entities.
> I have put my energies over the last four and a half years into
> following my stratagy and learning to respond in the moment to my
> spleen and sacral, while letting go of other peoples emotions.
> That has been enough for me to contend with.
> I think in the beginning I was very int in detail, but that was a
> destraction for me from the basics which I needed to get hold of.
> My tendency to withdraw, I feel sureis due more to my first lines and
> my love of reading and research. I'm very happy some of the time being
> 'down in the basement'.
> I hope this is helpful. If it isn't talk to me again.
> Yes thank you I had a great holiday and saw wild dolphins!
> I'm glad you enjoyed yours too.
> My best
> Jacqui
>> hi jacqui/
>>
>> I see you're back, and in the flow. Hope your holiday was good. I just
>> returned from a week's conservation volunteering in Wales, bruised,
>> bitten, cut and weatherbeaten; I had a good time :)
>>
>> reflecting on the email I sent you about a follow-up conversation, I
>> feel it's too pushy with detail. The issues about timing, and hermits,
>> still feel quite lively with me; your 'feel' as a 5/1 relating to
>> 2nd-lines would be helpful.
>>
>> best regards
>> /michael
>>
>>>
>>> From: Genoa Bliven
>>> Date: 2005/05/23 Mon PM 10:30:46 GMT
>>> To: Jacqui Smith
>>> Subject: Re: [HumanDesignPro] discussion topic
>>>
>>> Dear Genoa - thank you for this. It's one of the most authentic and
>>> heartfelt pieces of writing I have ever read.
>>
>> A gem - Thank you.
>> Jacqui
>>
>>
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