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kremilek
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Hi Anne,

Thank you for this this info.
Lasita also sent me the same suggestion and I did do it for my own Saturn!!

Now I will look at those charts, chat with them and see what new awareness
surface.

And thanks to you, Janice for asking for the Kiron and Saturn info.

Love is in the air we breathe,

Chiara,
in Sedona, heading for the mountain trails nearby to "breathe energy into my
Human Design."
Actually, I do the breath for the Gates in Sun and Earth, usually each day,
on a little plateau overlooking the valley.

Very empowering!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Kelly"
To: "HD Community Email Chat"
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] Kiron & Second Saturn return dates requested

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hi Chiara,
>
> One possibility is to use the date/time of the first Saturn return as a
> 'birth date' and then do the cycle thing.
>
> Regards,
> Ann
>
>
> chiara gasparro wrote:
>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>> Hi Janice,
>>
>> Kiron return:
>>
>> Local time:
>> October 11, 1996
>> 11:38:21 a.m.
>>
>> UT time:
>> October 11, 1996
>> 18:38:21 p.m.
>>
>> I didn't do your 2nd Saturn return.
>> MMI software does first one.
>>
>> Does anyone know how to do second one using MMI program?
>>
>> Love is in the air we breathe,
>> Chiara
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Janice Peterson"
>> To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:41 AM
>> Subject: [HDCommunity] Kiron & Second Saturn return dates requested
>>
>>
>>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>>
>>>
>>> Would someone with the Cycles software be kind enough tell me the date
>>> of
>>> my
>>> kiron and second saturn return? 12/30/45, 8:00am, Philadelphia,Pa.
>>>
>>> Thanks so much, Janice
>>>
>>>
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ritamjkp
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[HDCommunity] Kiron & Second Saturn return dates requested

Dear Chiara or Ann,

Would you be able and willing to send me a date for my second Saturn
return as I don't have the Cycles Moduale yet?(I'm waiting for the new MM2)

Thanks, Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: chiara gasparro [mailto:chiarabreath@esedona.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:21 AM
To: HD Community Email Chat
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] Kiron & Second Saturn return dates requested

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hi Anne,

Thank you for this this info.
Lasita also sent me the same suggestion and I did do it for my own Saturn!!

Now I will look at those charts, chat with them and see what new awareness
surface.

And thanks to you, Janice for asking for the Kiron and Saturn info.

Love is in the air we breathe,

Chiara,
in Sedona, heading for the mountain trails nearby to "breathe energy into my

Human Design."
Actually, I do the breath for the Gates in Sun and Earth, usually each day,
on a little plateau overlooking the valley.

Very empowering!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Kelly"
To: "HD Community Email Chat"
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] Kiron & Second Saturn return dates requested

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hi Chiara,
>
> One possibility is to use the date/time of the first Saturn return as
> a 'birth date' and then do the cycle thing.
>
> Regards,
> Ann
>
>
> chiara gasparro wrote:
>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>> Hi Janice,
>>
>> Kiron return:
>>
>> Local time:
>> October 11, 1996
>> 11:38:21 a.m.
>>
>> UT time:
>> October 11, 1996
>> 18:38:21 p.m.
>>
>> I didn't do your 2nd Saturn return.
>> MMI software does first one.
>>
>> Does anyone know how to do second one using MMI program?
>>
>> Love is in the air we breathe,
>> Chiara
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Janice Peterson"
>> To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:41 AM
>> Subject: [HDCommunity] Kiron & Second Saturn return dates requested
>>
>>
>>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>>
>>>
>>> Would someone with the Cycles software be kind enough tell me the
>>> date
>>> of
>>> my
>>> kiron and second saturn return? 12/30/45, 8:00am, Philadelphia,Pa.
>>>
>>> Thanks so much, Janice
>>>
>>>
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ritamjkp
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[HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

Hi All,

Would someone be willing to do the solar return chart for my reflector
friend 6/19/1948, 1:20am New York, New York.

Thanks, Janice

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kada
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Joined: 2007-01-15

[HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

Hi Janice,

Did someone do this solar return for you?
If not, let me know and I may be able to do it tomorrow, Wednesday.

Also, did you receive the second saturn return for yourself?

Love is in the air we breathe,
Chiara
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janice Peterson"
To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>
> Hi All,
>
> Would someone be willing to do the solar return chart for my reflector
> friend 6/19/1948, 1:20am New York, New York.
>
> Thanks, Janice
>
>
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ritamjkp
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[HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

Hi Chiara,

Yes, I did get a solar return, but I didn't get the second saturn return for
myself. If you found a way of doing it, I'd love to see it.

Thanks so much for inquiring, Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: chiara gasparro [mailto:chiarabreath@esedona.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:15 PM
To: HD Community Email Chat
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hi Janice,

Did someone do this solar return for you?
If not, let me know and I may be able to do it tomorrow, Wednesday.

Also, did you receive the second saturn return for yourself?

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jose
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[HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

Hi Janice,

I hope this is right... I heard from several people who suggested that I do
it in the following way:

Do the 1st Saturn return... for you:

July 15, 1975, 01:04:55

Use that date to do 2nd Saturn return... for you:

August 22, 2004, 06:18:35

I'm sending this to the community email chat.
Any suggestions/comments are welcome.

I wonder... has anyone had a Saturn return reading?
Was it significant for you?
In what way?

Love is in the air we breathe,
Chiara

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janice Peterson"
To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hi Chiara,
>
> Yes, I did get a solar return, but I didn't get the second saturn return
> for
> myself. If you found a way of doing it, I'd love to see it.
>
> Thanks so much for inquiring, Janice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chiara gasparro [mailto:chiarabreath@esedona.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:15 PM
> To: HD Community Email Chat
> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested
>
>
> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hi Janice,
>
> Did someone do this solar return for you?
> If not, let me know and I may be able to do it tomorrow, Wednesday.
>
> Also, did you receive the second saturn return for yourself?
>
> Love is in the air we breathe,
> Chiara
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janice Peterson"
> To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested
>
>
>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Would someone be willing to do the solar return chart for my reflector
>> friend 6/19/1948, 1:20am New York, New York.
>>
>> Thanks, Janice
>>
>>
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pamiamm
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[HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

Hi,
I didn't even know there was a second Saturn Return. ???? I had never
heard of that until this thread.
I have looked at my own returns. They were helpful. Interestingly enough,
I am in my Uranus return at the moment. This is the only time in any of my
returns I am something other than the cross of service (currently cross of
planning). And, that planning and community building is exactly what I am
up to, to then help the planet (all collective circuitry)as cross of
service. So, they can be insightful.

Warmly,

Pam "If we did all the things we are capable of, we would
literally astound ourselves." Thomas Edison

Pam Ragland, Aiming Higher Quantum Success Co.: Revealing Your True
Masterpiece

~Are you tired of spending your life doing PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT? Looking
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-----Original Message-----
From: chiara gasparro [mailto:chiarabreath@esedona.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:45 AM
To: HD Community Email Chat
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hi Janice,

I hope this is right... I heard from several people who suggested that I do
it in the following way:

Do the 1st Saturn return... for you:

July 15, 1975, 01:04:55

Use that date to do 2nd Saturn return... for you:

August 22, 2004, 06:18:35

I'm sending this to the community email chat.
Any suggestions/comments are welcome.

I wonder... has anyone had a Saturn return reading?
Was it significant for you?
In what way?

Love is in the air we breathe,
Chiara

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janice Peterson"
To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hi Chiara,
>
> Yes, I did get a solar return, but I didn't get the second saturn return
> for
> myself. If you found a way of doing it, I'd love to see it.
>
> Thanks so much for inquiring, Janice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chiara gasparro [mailto:chiarabreath@esedona.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:15 PM
> To: HD Community Email Chat
> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested
>
>
> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hi Janice,
>
> Did someone do this solar return for you?
> If not, let me know and I may be able to do it tomorrow, Wednesday.
>
> Also, did you receive the second saturn return for yourself?
>
> Love is in the air we breathe,
> Chiara
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janice Peterson"
> To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested
>
>
>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Would someone be willing to do the solar return chart for my reflector
>> friend 6/19/1948, 1:20am New York, New York.
>>
>> Thanks, Janice
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________
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essentialpearls
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[HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

Interesting info re returns! I am relatively new to HD so this area is new
for me.

Questions:

Pam, you mention you are on another cross now during your Uranus return.

How do you determine that?
Is there some software for returns, or do you just do the chart for the
exact date and time of your Saturn, Uranus, Chiron, etc. return.
When you speak of Uranus return, do you mean half-cycle?
I believe the orbit of Uranus around the Sun is 84 years so you would be in
your early 40's?

Darshana

-----Original Message-----
From: Pam Ragland, Aiming Higher [mailto:Pam@AimingHigher.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:41 AM
To: HD Community Email Chat
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hi,
I didn't even know there was a second Saturn Return. ???? I had never
heard of that until this thread.
I have looked at my own returns. They were helpful. Interestingly enough,
I am in my Uranus return at the moment. This is the only time in any of my
returns I am something other than the cross of service (currently cross of
planning). And, that planning and community building is exactly what I am
up to, to then help the planet (all collective circuitry)as cross of
service. So, they can be insightful.

Warmly,

Pam "If we did all the things we are capable of, we would
literally astound ourselves." Thomas Edison

Pam Ragland, Aiming Higher Quantum Success Co.: Revealing Your True
Masterpiece

~Masterpiece Families(TM): Because kids don't come with instructions! --
Free Masterpiece Families Newsletter

~Web: http:// www.PamRagland.com ; Ofc:
(949)713-7303; Rancho Santa Margarita, CA

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hi Janice,

I hope this is right... I heard from several people who suggested that I do
it in the following way:

Do the 1st Saturn return... for you:

July 15, 1975, 01:04:55

Use that date to do 2nd Saturn return... for you:

August 22, 2004, 06:18:35

I'm sending this to the community email chat.
Any suggestions/comments are welcome.

I wonder... has anyone had a Saturn return reading?
Was it significant for you?
In what way?

Love is in the air we breathe,
Chiara

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janice Peterson"
To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hi Chiara,
>
> Yes, I did get a solar return, but I didn't get the second saturn return
> for
> myself. If you found a way of doing it, I'd love to see it.
>
> Thanks so much for inquiring, Janice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chiara gasparro [mailto:chiarabreath@esedona.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:15 PM
> To: HD Community Email Chat
> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested
>
>
> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hi Janice,
>
> Did someone do this solar return for you?
> If not, let me know and I may be able to do it tomorrow, Wednesday.
>
> Also, did you receive the second saturn return for yourself?
>
> Love is in the air we breathe,
> Chiara
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janice Peterson"
> To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested
>
>
>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Would someone be willing to do the solar return chart for my reflector
>> friend 6/19/1948, 1:20am New York, New York.
>>
>> Thanks, Janice
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________
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Becky
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[HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

Just curious - all the other returns are created in MMI from the natal
chart. For the purpose of an HD return analysis (not astrological), why
would the 2nd saturn be created from the 1st Saturn (rather than the natal)?
I don't have the logic to figure this out! Hope there is a genius out there
who can explain this in a simple, simple HD way. Many thanks from an open
mind....

Becky

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hi Janice,

I hope this is right... I heard from several people who suggested that I do
it in the following way:

Do the 1st Saturn return... for you:

July 15, 1975, 01:04:55

Use that date to do 2nd Saturn return... for you:

August 22, 2004, 06:18:35

I'm sending this to the community email chat.
Any suggestions/comments are welcome.

I wonder... has anyone had a Saturn return reading?
Was it significant for you?
In what way?

Love is in the air we breathe,
Chiara

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janice Peterson"
To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hi Chiara,
>
> Yes, I did get a solar return, but I didn't get the second saturn return
> for
> myself. If you found a way of doing it, I'd love to see it.
>
> Thanks so much for inquiring, Janice
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chiara gasparro [mailto:chiarabreath@esedona.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:15 PM
> To: HD Community Email Chat
> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested
>
>
> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hi Janice,
>
> Did someone do this solar return for you?
> If not, let me know and I may be able to do it tomorrow, Wednesday.
>
> Also, did you receive the second saturn return for yourself?
>
> Love is in the air we breathe,
> Chiara
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janice Peterson"
> To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] solar returnc chart requested
>
>
>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Would someone be willing to do the solar return chart for my reflector
>> friend 6/19/1948, 1:20am New York, New York.
>>
>> Thanks, Janice
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________
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