petra
Posts: 6
Joined: 2005-09-20

Hello!

Rather desperate I ask for your help. As the projector I am I try to wait
for the right invitation. How do I know when it is the right one?

Got a job offer six weeks ago and since then I am stuck... Everyone around
me says wow that¹s a great opportunity and a very interesting project, my
rational mind says yes it will solve the financial worries and maybe lead to
something where I feel connected to others in a creative process, my body
gets the old aches from burnouts before and my thoughts are going around and
around.

He wants me to go on my planned winter trip to the sun and come back and
start working in March. My traveling plans got stuck behind this decision
and I am just frozen in my apartment with it. Really don¹t know if I shall
go for it or not. Time goes and time left over for the journey gets shorter
and shorter. Stress.. ;-( Steels my power and wets my napkins with a lot of
tears. Decisions under pressure are no my favorite ones.

I know I cannot solve this decision by thinking, and I really don¹t know
how.

With a 1/3 profile. Not trusting my own inner voice (if I hear it) and very
used to trials and errors...Really tired of going there all the time. My
body cannot take many more burnouts... When my body now make me remember old
aches I don¹t know if it's just worries or if it's real warning signals...

What to do...

I am a projector with only G-center and heart defined. 1/3, single
definition: 25/51. What more do want to know? My invitation comes from a
manifesting generator. Who wants me to inspirer him in the visions around
building up a retreat/eco village. A half time job during at least one year.
For the rest undefined as so far, no land bought yet.

Help 1: don¹t like to get stuck here in Stockholm for that long time again,
so bored of this place and climate. Help 2: am not able to work alone again,
this was my burnout many times as the single person in my own company many
years, stuck in the project without a engine... Help 3: I have the feeling
that architecture is past time for me. Just not clear yet exactly what to do
instead. *Guiding people, healing, inspiring, art, beauty, dance, movement
and circle work... Setting up a retreat place in a nice climate where the
sun shines and people worry les and smiles in the streets.* Big dreams...
How to start? Or just to wait for the invitation??? Which is the right one?

Also wonder if there is someone in Stockholm (Sweden) doing readings???
Would be glad to get a reading. Didn¹t have one yet. Found about about my
chart myself through internet, am interested to get some more specific
details about how I can live to get a nicer flow in life...

A long letter with big questions from a confused stuck Projector.

Petra

--

1/3 projector, single definition, right angle cross of Maya
http//www.humandesignonline.com/chart/personal/Petra_Karsenbarg_P.gif


Heidi
Posts: 52
Joined: 2003-12-22
RE: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right

Hi Petra

I was holding back a bit because i don't feel that I know enough about HD
to make some good sense to you.
I've been writing you in my mind all morning, so I figured I may as well
send an email to the list.

To everyone: Kindly correct me if I'm misinterpreting stuff. Thank you!

First off, I must share with you Petra that you're the first Projector I've
known so far who seems to have a gotten a good healthy start with HD. I'm
so amazed because I feel your interest and that's a really really good
thing, especially since you say you haven't had a reading yet!

In the past four years I had plenty of experience with Projector
frineds/colleagues and my son is an emotional projector 6/2. A few years
ago I asked Ra in one of the classes how I should 'be' with my son and I'd
like to share what he told me then, mixed in with some insights I got from
watching my son. Ra's simple advice has made a huge difference in my son's
life (he's 13 years old now). I've been raising him by myself since he was
three, he's always been a terrific kid. I'm a 6/2 manifesting generator
and felt that I had no clue on how to treat him. I've got lots of stories
about him that always make me think of his design. It blows my mind, but I
digress!

1. Your life as a projector is NOT about you. Your job is to recognize
other people's energetic make up; for you it's about designing a system
for yourself by which you can 'read' and recognize other people's modus
operandi. In other words: PAY ATTENTION to others and steer clear of
initiating any life changing action, ESPECIALLY those actions (plans) which
are supposed to relieve pressure generated by the not-self strategy
questions of ALL the centers (defined or undefined).

2. You won't function well unless you're acknowledged fully!!! What do you
want to be acknowledged for?! THAT is a great question for you!!!

3. Rest before you go to sleep. (Horizontally!!!!)
(I introduced this four years ago with my son and he hasn't been sick
since, not even the flu or a common cold.)

4. Educate the people around you that you need to be asked (and invited to
participate), not TOLD what to do, where to go/sit etc. You're not
designed to work.
(Haha! That's the only thing my son likes about HD ... he tells me many
times that he's not designed to do work, especially when I forget and tell
him to take out the garbage)

5. Give your body ample physical activity so that you can burn off all that
crappy motor and emotional energy that you pick up from others all day long
.

There! I hope this helps.

And, one last thing: I had all my readings done by phone and online. That
has worked for me extremely well because I was able to pay attention to the
information and NOT to the analyst's energy. It would be really great if
you'd got a reading, too.

Love,
Heidi

-----Original Message-----
From: Petra Karsenbarg [mailto:petra.karsenbarg@swipnet.se]
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:26 PM
To: hdcommunity@thefoco.com
Subject: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right one?

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hello!

Rather desperate I ask for your help. As the projector I am I try to wait
for the right invitation. How do I know when it is the right one?

Got a job offer six weeks ago and since then I am stuck... Everyone around
me says wow that

--

Heidi Costas
6/2 Manifesting Generator
http//www.humandesignonline.com/chart/Heidi_Costas_MG.gif
Helping people embrace more of who they really are
www.heidicostas.com


64pluto
Posts: 44
Joined: 2007-04-10
tnx

cool heid thanks


abc
Posts: 1
Joined: 2007-01-14
[HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right one

Hello Petra

I would highly recommend that you have a foundation reading with a HD
analyst in order to understand your process. It is all very well to get
bits and pieces of information. If HD interests you and you seem drawn to
it then why not take a step further and have a reading or analysis which
might help you at this stage in time.

Love

Inga

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petra Karsenbarg"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:26 AM
Subject: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right one?

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hello!

Rather desperate I ask for your help. As the projector I am I try to wait
for the right invitation. How do I know when it is the right one?

Got a job offer six weeks ago and since then I am stuck... Everyone around
me says wow that¹s a great opportunity and a very interesting project, my
rational mind says yes it will solve the financial worries and maybe lead to
something where I feel connected to others in a creative process, my body
gets the old aches from burnouts before and my thoughts are going around and
around.

He wants me to go on my planned winter trip to the sun and come back and
start working in March. My traveling plans got stuck behind this decision
and I am just frozen in my apartment with it. Really don¹t know if I shall
go for it or not. Time goes and time left over for the journey gets shorter
and shorter. Stress.. ;-( Steels my power and wets my napkins with a lot of
tears. Decisions under pressure are no my favorite ones.

I know I cannot solve this decision by thinking, and I really don¹t know
how.

With a 1/3 profile. Not trusting my own inner voice (if I hear it) and very
used to trials and errors...Really tired of going there all the time. My
body cannot take many more burnouts... When my body now make me remember old
aches I don¹t know if it's just worries or if it's real warning signals...

What to do...

I am a projector with only G-center and heart defined. 1/3, single
definition: 25/51. What more do want to know? My invitation comes from a
manifesting generator. Who wants me to inspirer him in the visions around
building up a retreat/eco village. A half time job during at least one year.
For the rest undefined as so far, no land bought yet.

Help 1: don¹t like to get stuck here in Stockholm for that long time again,
so bored of this place and climate. Help 2: am not able to work alone again,
this was my burnout many times as the single person in my own company many
years, stuck in the project without a engine... Help 3: I have the feeling
that architecture is past time for me. Just not clear yet exactly what to do
instead. *Guiding people, healing, inspiring, art, beauty, dance, movement
and circle work... Setting up a retreat place in a nice climate where the
sun shines and people worry les and smiles in the streets.* Big dreams...
How to start? Or just to wait for the invitation??? Which is the right one?

Also wonder if there is someone in Stockholm (Sweden) doing readings???
Would be glad to get a reading. Didn¹t have one yet. Found about about my
chart myself through internet, am interested to get some more specific
details about how I can live to get a nicer flow in life...

A long letter with big questions from a confused stuck Projector.

Petra

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Human By Design
Posts: 76
Joined: 2003-08-22
RE: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitation is the right

There does not appear to be an analyst in Sweden.
I checked at the IHDS registry on Jovian Archive.
Anyone got any suggestions?
One solution would be to have a reading on-line.

But as most of us know if HD gets into your system you can spend a life time
gathering bits and pieces.
For ever and ever Amen.

-----Original Message-----
From: UNNUR JENSEN [mailto:unnur@btinternet.com]
Sent: 29 December 2005 20:53
To: HD Community Email Chat
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the
right one?

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hello Petra

I would highly recommend that you have a foundation reading with a HD
analyst in order to understand your process. It is all very well to get
bits and pieces of information. If HD interests you and you seem drawn to
it then why not take a step further and have a reading or analysis which
might help you at this stage in time.

Love

Inga

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petra Karsenbarg"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:26 AM
Subject: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right one?

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hello!

Rather desperate I ask for your help. As the projector I am I try to wait
for the right invitation. How do I know when it is the right one?

Got a job offer six weeks ago and since then I am stuck... Everyone around
me says wow that¹s a great opportunity and a very interesting project, my
rational mind says yes it will solve the financial worries and maybe lead to
something where I feel connected to others in a creative process, my body
gets the old aches from burnouts before and my thoughts are going around and
around.

He wants me to go on my planned winter trip to the sun and come back and
start working in March. My traveling plans got stuck behind this decision
and I am just frozen in my apartment with it. Really don¹t know if I shall
go for it or not. Time goes and time left over for the journey gets shorter
and shorter. Stress.. ;-( Steels my power and wets my napkins with a lot of
tears. Decisions under pressure are no my favorite ones.

I know I cannot solve this decision by thinking, and I really don¹t know
how.

With a 1/3 profile. Not trusting my own inner voice (if I hear it) and very
used to trials and errors...Really tired of going there all the time. My
body cannot take many more burnouts... When my body now make me remember old
aches I don¹t know if it's just worries or if it's real warning signals...

What to do...

I am a projector with only G-center and heart defined. 1/3, single
definition: 25/51. What more do want to know? My invitation comes from a
manifesting generator. Who wants me to inspirer him in the visions around
building up a retreat/eco village. A half time job during at least one year.
For the rest undefined as so far, no land bought yet.

Help 1: don¹t like to get stuck here in Stockholm for that long time again,
so bored of this place and climate. Help 2: am not able to work alone again,
this was my burnout many times as the single person in my own company many
years, stuck in the project without a engine... Help 3: I have the feeling
that architecture is past time for me. Just not clear yet exactly what to do
instead. *Guiding people, healing, inspiring, art, beauty, dance, movement
and circle work... Setting up a retreat place in a nice climate where the
sun shines and people worry les and smiles in the streets.* Big dreams...
How to start? Or just to wait for the invitation??? Which is the right one?

Also wonder if there is someone in Stockholm (Sweden) doing readings???
Would be glad to get a reading. Didn¹t have one yet. Found about about my
chart myself through internet, am interested to get some more specific
details about how I can live to get a nicer flow in life...

A long letter with big questions from a confused stuck Projector.

Petra

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Do you know who you are?
Only time will tell.


nejdet
Posts: 1
Joined: 2007-01-14
[HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitation is the right one

Suggestions for a Reading

Places: HumanDesingOnline, Jovianarchive, HD UK, HD America, HD Austria, HD
Japan, HD Italia, HD Spain, HD France, HD Russia, HD Australia etc. There
are quite a few places to find a foundation reading by an analyst, most of
them speak english.
Wish you well on you journey

Ings.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joanne Simpson"
To: "HD Community Email Chat"
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:39 PM
Subject: RE: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitation is the right
one?

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> There does not appear to be an analyst in Sweden.
> I checked at the IHDS registry on Jovian Archive.
> Anyone got any suggestions?
> One solution would be to have a reading on-line.
>
> But as most of us know if HD gets into your system you can spend a life
> time
> gathering bits and pieces.
> For ever and ever Amen.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UNNUR JENSEN [mailto:unnur@btinternet.com]
> Sent: 29 December 2005 20:53
> To: HD Community Email Chat
> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the
> right one?
>
>
> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hello Petra
>
> I would highly recommend that you have a foundation reading with a HD
> analyst in order to understand your process. It is all very well to get
> bits and pieces of information. If HD interests you and you seem drawn to
> it then why not take a step further and have a reading or analysis which
> might help you at this stage in time.
>
> Love
>
> Inga
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Petra Karsenbarg"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:26 AM
> Subject: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right one?
>
>
> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hello!
>
> Rather desperate I ask for your help. As the projector I am I try to wait
> for the right invitation. How do I know when it is the right one?
>
> Got a job offer six weeks ago and since then I am stuck... Everyone around
> me says wow that¹s a great opportunity and a very interesting project, my
> rational mind says yes it will solve the financial worries and maybe lead
> to
> something where I feel connected to others in a creative process, my body
> gets the old aches from burnouts before and my thoughts are going around
> and
> around.
>
> He wants me to go on my planned winter trip to the sun and come back and
> start working in March. My traveling plans got stuck behind this decision
> and I am just frozen in my apartment with it. Really don¹t know if I shall
> go for it or not. Time goes and time left over for the journey gets
> shorter
> and shorter. Stress.. ;-( Steels my power and wets my napkins with a lot
> of
> tears. Decisions under pressure are no my favorite ones.
>
> I know I cannot solve this decision by thinking, and I really don¹t know
> how.
>
> With a 1/3 profile. Not trusting my own inner voice (if I hear it) and
> very
> used to trials and errors...Really tired of going there all the time. My
> body cannot take many more burnouts... When my body now make me remember
> old
> aches I don¹t know if it's just worries or if it's real warning signals...
>
> What to do...
>
> I am a projector with only G-center and heart defined. 1/3, single
> definition: 25/51. What more do want to know? My invitation comes from a
> manifesting generator. Who wants me to inspirer him in the visions around
> building up a retreat/eco village. A half time job during at least one
> year.
> For the rest undefined as so far, no land bought yet.
>
> Help 1: don¹t like to get stuck here in Stockholm for that long time
> again,
> so bored of this place and climate. Help 2: am not able to work alone
> again,
> this was my burnout many times as the single person in my own company many
> years, stuck in the project without a engine... Help 3: I have the feeling
> that architecture is past time for me. Just not clear yet exactly what to
> do
> instead. *Guiding people, healing, inspiring, art, beauty, dance, movement
> and circle work... Setting up a retreat place in a nice climate where the
> sun shines and people worry les and smiles in the streets.* Big dreams...
> How to start? Or just to wait for the invitation??? Which is the right
> one?
>
> Also wonder if there is someone in Stockholm (Sweden) doing readings???
> Would be glad to get a reading. Didn¹t have one yet. Found about about my
> chart myself through internet, am interested to get some more specific
> details about how I can live to get a nicer flow in life...
>
> A long letter with big questions from a confused stuck Projector.
>
> Petra
>
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petra
Posts: 6
Joined: 2005-09-20
[HDCommunity] How do I know..- dance in connection to HD?

Wow great and scary to get all this attention... I am very happy about all
the things you are writing to me. THANK YOU!!

I would be very glad to have reading, and as you wrote there is noone in
Sweden doing it... On-line sounds half fun. I find it more easy to get it in
to the system if my body is in contact too. Sitting in front of the
person... Of course an on line reading is better than nothing.

Very soon going to move my body to a warmer plays on this earth and maybe
there I will find someone to give me reading. Are there good
projector-readers in India, Thailand or Brazil? Actually Jeevan who first
told me about HD in India last year, got his readings from Chris in Ashwem,
Goa, India.

Another thing I have in my head--- OK I am too much in my head---the hole HD
is very much in the head. Sitting in front if the computer, radio, books
trying to understand the strategies and all the words that are written about
our charts. For me dancing is a lot of help to leave my head and to get in
to the flow of living in the moment. I found, for me the combination of
understanding with my mind and move it in my body is the quickest.

Did anyone try to do any bodywork in connection with the HD. Are there any
developed technic or ideas about that? For me it would be really interesting
to know. I have had the idea some years already to work with healing and
self development thru dance and movements in groups. Found many things that
are inspiring me and yet I didn¹t found the ultimate method for me. Maybe
the 25/51 definition makes me interested in developing new ways to move our
bodies or dance on the way to enlightenment. Someone have ideas about "Human
Design Dances"?

Petra

--

1/3 projector, single definition, right angle cross of Maya
http//www.humandesignonline.com/chart/personal/Petra_Karsenbarg_P.gif


gennaro
Posts: 106
Joined: 2007-01-16
RE: [HDCommunity] How do I know..- dance in connection to HD?

Petra,
Chiara Gasparro works a lot with breathing and Design. There's a course of
hers in Jan online.
Gennaro.

--------------------
www.HumanDesignOnline.com
Forum, Glossary, Interactive Community, Online Education

-----Original Message-----
From: Petra Karsenbarg [mailto:petra.karsenbarg@swipnet.se]
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:17 PM
To: HD Community Email Chat
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] How do I know..- dance in connection to HD?

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Wow great and scary to get all this attention... I am very happy about all
the things you are writing to me. THANK YOU!!

I would be very glad to have reading, and as you wrote there is noone in
Sweden doing it... On-line sounds half fun. I find it more easy to get it in
to the system if my body is in contact too. Sitting in front of the
person... Of course an on line reading is better than nothing.

Very soon going to move my body to a warmer plays on this earth and maybe
there I will find someone to give me reading. Are there good
projector-readers in India, Thailand or Brazil? Actually Jeevan who first
told me about HD in India last year, got his readings from Chris in Ashwem,
Goa, India.

Another thing I have in my head--- OK I am too much in my head---the hole HD
is very much in the head. Sitting in front if the computer, radio, books
trying to understand the strategies and all the words that are written about
our charts. For me dancing is a lot of help to leave my head and to get in
to the flow of living in the moment. I found, for me the combination of
understanding with my mind and move it in my body is the quickest.

Did anyone try to do any bodywork in connection with the HD. Are there any
developed technic or ideas about that? For me it would be really interesting
to know. I have had the idea some years already to work with healing and
self development thru dance and movements in groups. Found many things that
are inspiring me and yet I didn¹t found the ultimate method for me. Maybe
the 25/51 definition makes me interested in developing new ways to move our
bodies or dance on the way to enlightenment. Someone have ideas about "Human
Design Dances"?

Petra

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vibhuti
Posts: 1
Joined: 2007-01-14
RE: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right

Hi Petra

I have just one question for you........go back to when you were first
approached about this job......

DID YOU FEEL RECOGNISED?????????

Did you get the feeling the person who offered you this job really has a
good sense of who you really are???? If you felt a sense of recognition this
is a good indication this is a correct invitation for you.

According to the Living Your Design Manual, part of the reason that the
Projector's strategy is to wait for the invitation, is that Projector types
are here to be Guides for the generators in particular 'they are great
organizers and networkers and they have the gift of bringing people together
in the right combinations in order to achieve specific tasks' (R.Rudd. LYD
Manual;p201). When others recognise YOU and invite you in, then you are able
to get to know them and recognise them as well, and understand them, and
guide them.

Anyone who does not recognise you will end up being a drain on your energy
resources (and from your email it does sound like you might have experienced
this).

Also, if this is the correct opportunity for you, the universe will bring it
back 'knockin on your door' again.

Also, following up on Joanne's information - you are a 1st line profile and
do need to have a secure foundation - you also have a defined ego which
means you need to be careful that you commit to as Joanne said 'you will be
judged on your ability to come up with the goods'.

So, do you have enough information about what they want you to commit to?
Perhaps you need more detail about the role (to feel secure) and to know
that you can deliver in the role without burning out? It seems to me the
open ended proposals could be difficult for people with defined centres to
commit to.....

Warm Regards

Ruth

-----Original Message-----
From: Petra Karsenbarg [mailto:petra.karsenbarg@swipnet.se]
Sent: Wednesday, 28 December 2005 7:26 PM
To: hdcommunity@thefoco.com
Subject: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right one?

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hello!

Rather desperate I ask for your help. As the projector I am I try to wait
for the right invitation. How do I know when it is the right one?

Got a job offer six weeks ago and since then I am stuck... Everyone around
me says wow that¹s a great opportunity and a very interesting project, my
rational mind says yes it will solve the financial worries and maybe lead to
something where I feel connected to others in a creative process, my body
gets the old aches from burnouts before and my thoughts are going around and
around.

He wants me to go on my planned winter trip to the sun and come back and
start working in March. My traveling plans got stuck behind this decision
and I am just frozen in my apartment with it. Really don¹t know if I shall
go for it or not. Time goes and time left over for the journey gets shorter
and shorter. Stress.. ;-( Steels my power and wets my napkins with a lot of
tears. Decisions under pressure are no my favorite ones.

I know I cannot solve this decision by thinking, and I really don¹t know
how.

With a 1/3 profile. Not trusting my own inner voice (if I hear it) and very
used to trials and errors...Really tired of going there all the time. My
body cannot take many more burnouts... When my body now make me remember old
aches I don¹t know if it's just worries or if it's real warning signals...

What to do...

I am a projector with only G-center and heart defined. 1/3, single
definition: 25/51. What more do want to know? My invitation comes from a
manifesting generator. Who wants me to inspirer him in the visions around
building up a retreat/eco village. A half time job during at least one year.
For the rest undefined as so far, no land bought yet.

Help 1: don¹t like to get stuck here in Stockholm for that long time again,
so bored of this place and climate. Help 2: am not able to work alone again,
this was my burnout many times as the single person in my own company many
years, stuck in the project without a engine... Help 3: I have the feeling
that architecture is past time for me. Just not clear yet exactly what to do
instead. *Guiding people, healing, inspiring, art, beauty, dance, movement
and circle work... Setting up a retreat place in a nice climate where the
sun shines and people worry les and smiles in the streets.* Big dreams...
How to start? Or just to wait for the invitation??? Which is the right one?

Also wonder if there is someone in Stockholm (Sweden) doing readings???
Would be glad to get a reading. Didn¹t have one yet. Found about about my
chart myself through internet, am interested to get some more specific
details about how I can live to get a nicer flow in life...

A long letter with big questions from a confused stuck Projector.

Petra

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walking angel
Posts: 170
Joined: 2005-03-24
[HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right one

hi petra, dear confused stuck projector/

I'm moved by your call for support and guidance, from high on the
hill in winter Stockholm. And I see that Joanne is on the case, which
is GOOD NEWS as Joanne is "Ms Projector-Voice" at Jovian Archive
Radio (hi joanne:). I have nothing to add to what Joanne will say -
I'm sure her response will be simpler and more direct than mine could
be.

So I'm just writing to send you love. And to thank you for inviting
so openly, which must have been a big step to take?

Actually: I do have a feeling that your open Ajna centre is hard at
work, trying to be certain about this decision, and how to analyse
the problem. And the answer is: if you have to do that, it's not the
right invitation!! And your Ajna centre is certainly not where the
authority is going to come from. Drink a lot of snaps, go for a swim
in Lake Mälaren, anything, - but persuade your mind to stop wrangling
with this issue. !!! It will wear you out.

Earlier in the year you and I had a conversation about self-projected
authority. I wasn't able to give any very clear response to you, but
I do have the feeling that this is important for the trouble that
you're experiencing right now. I hope and believe that Joanne has
something to give here.

Love from a beautiful day in Brighton to Södermalm (the widget on my
Mac says that you have snow)
Gott Nytt År - it will come, to be sure :-)
/michael

PS: For readers who would like to see Petra's chart: http://
humandesignonline.com/chart/personal/Petra_Karsenbarg_P.gif

On 29 Dec 2005, at 00:26, Petra Karsenbarg wrote:

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Hello!
>
> Rather desperate I ask for your help. As the projector I am I try
> to wait
> for the right invitation. How do I know when it is the right one?
>
> Got a job offer six weeks ago and since then I am stuck... Everyone
> around
> me says wow that’s a great opportunity and a very interesting
> project, my
> rational mind says yes it will solve the financial worries and
> maybe lead to
> something where I feel connected to others in a creative process,
> my body
> gets the old aches from burnouts before and my thoughts are going
> around and
> around.
>
> He wants me to go on my planned winter trip to the sun and come
> back and
> start working in March. My traveling plans got stuck behind this
> decision
> and I am just frozen in my apartment with it. Really don’t know if
> I shall
> go for it or not. Time goes and time left over for the journey
> gets shorter
> and shorter. Stress.. ;-( Steels my power and wets my napkins with
> a lot of
> tears. Decisions under pressure are no my favorite ones.
>
> I know I cannot solve this decision by thinking, and I really don’t
> know
> how.
>
> With a 1/3 profile. Not trusting my own inner voice (if I hear it)
> and very
> used to trials and errors...Really tired of going there all the
> time. My
> body cannot take many more burnouts... When my body now make me
> remember old
> aches I don’t know if it's just worries or if it's real warning
> signals...
>
> What to do...
>
> I am a projector with only G-center and heart defined. 1/3, single
> definition: 25/51. What more do want to know? My invitation comes
> from a
> manifesting generator. Who wants me to inspirer him in the visions
> around
> building up a retreat/eco village. A half time job during at least
> one year.
> For the rest undefined as so far, no land bought yet.
>
> Help 1: don’t like to get stuck here in Stockholm for that long
> time again,
> so bored of this place and climate. Help 2: am not able to work
> alone again,
> this was my burnout many times as the single person in my own
> company many
> years, stuck in the project without a engine... Help 3: I have the
> feeling
> that architecture is past time for me. Just not clear yet exactly
> what to do
> instead. *Guiding people, healing, inspiring, art, beauty, dance,
> movement
> and circle work... Setting up a retreat place in a nice climate
> where the
> sun shines and people worry les and smiles in the streets.* Big
> dreams...
> How to start? Or just to wait for the invitation??? Which is the
> right one?
>
> Also wonder if there is someone in Stockholm (Sweden) doing
> readings???
> Would be glad to get a reading. Didn’t have one yet. Found about
> about my
> chart myself through internet, am interested to get some more specific
> details about how I can live to get a nicer flow in life...
>
> A long letter with big questions from a confused stuck Projector.
>
> Petra
>
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Human By Design
Posts: 76
Joined: 2003-08-22
RE: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitation is the right

Dear Petra
Just know that there are people that care about the projector dilemma.
It is so easy to jump. It is so hard to wait.
I have seen so many projectors that think that two or three years with the
human design knowledge is going to get them somewhere. Mainly the old (over
50) undefined egos of course. All with something to prove. They appear to
have no time to wait.
Can I have your data, date of birth, place and time.

Christ it is so important to be able to be cool to be able to wait if you
are a projector, you are waiting for you timing.
Again Love Joanne

-----Original Message-----
From: Petra Karsenbarg [mailto:petra.karsenbarg@swipnet.se]
Sent: 29 December 2005 00:26
To: hdcommunity@thefoco.com
Subject: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right
one?

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hello!

Rather desperate I ask for your help. As the projector I am I try to wait
for the right invitation. How do I know when it is the right one?

Got a job offer six weeks ago and since then I am stuck... Everyone around
me says wow that¹s a great opportunity and a very interesting project, my
rational mind says yes it will solve the financial worries and maybe lead to
something where I feel connected to others in a creative process, my body
gets the old aches from burnouts before and my thoughts are going around and
around.

He wants me to go on my planned winter trip to the sun and come back and
start working in March. My traveling plans got stuck behind this decision
and I am just frozen in my apartment with it. Really don¹t know if I shall
go for it or not. Time goes and time left over for the journey gets shorter
and shorter. Stress.. ;-( Steels my power and wets my napkins with a lot of
tears. Decisions under pressure are no my favorite ones.

I know I cannot solve this decision by thinking, and I really don¹t know
how.

With a 1/3 profile. Not trusting my own inner voice (if I hear it) and very
used to trials and errors...Really tired of going there all the time. My
body cannot take many more burnouts... When my body now make me remember old
aches I don¹t know if it's just worries or if it's real warning signals...

What to do...

I am a projector with only G-center and heart defined. 1/3, single
definition: 25/51. What more do want to know? My invitation comes from a
manifesting generator. Who wants me to inspirer him in the visions around
building up a retreat/eco village. A half time job during at least one year.
For the rest undefined as so far, no land bought yet.

Help 1: don¹t like to get stuck here in Stockholm for that long time again,
so bored of this place and climate. Help 2: am not able to work alone again,
this was my burnout many times as the single person in my own company many
years, stuck in the project without a engine... Help 3: I have the feeling
that architecture is past time for me. Just not clear yet exactly what to do
instead. *Guiding people, healing, inspiring, art, beauty, dance, movement
and circle work... Setting up a retreat place in a nice climate where the
sun shines and people worry les and smiles in the streets.* Big dreams...
How to start? Or just to wait for the invitation??? Which is the right one?

Also wonder if there is someone in Stockholm (Sweden) doing readings???
Would be glad to get a reading. Didn¹t have one yet. Found about about my
chart myself through internet, am interested to get some more specific
details about how I can live to get a nicer flow in life...

A long letter with big questions from a confused stuck Projector.

Petra

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petra
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Joined: 2005-09-20
[HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitation is the right one

Hi Joanne!

So happy to feel supported, my tears run again, even if my chart says I am
not an emotional being...?. I am born 11 januari 1969 in Stockholm, Sweden.

Petra

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1/3 projector, single definition, right angle cross of Maya
http//www.humandesignonline.com/chart/personal/Petra_Karsenbarg_P.gif


Human By Design
Posts: 76
Joined: 2003-08-22
RE: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitation is the right

I have taken a brief look at your chart.
The first thing I notice is that juicy ego you have.
Personally I find projectors with defined egos fascinating mainly because I
don't have one.
For me to imagine how that feels is quite a trip.
You have all that ego power - thy will be done. It must be frustrating to be
told that you are a non energy type:
Waiting for invitations when you probably think that you can do anything you
wish. How annoying to have to wait.

The second thing I noticed was the 46th gate in the G centre. The word that
springs to mind is SERENDIPITY.
It is also about the love of the Body. Love is a strong theme for you. And
of course Human Design is about learning to love yourself. Going through
life with this information will unburden you. It will enable you to shed the
heavy load that you have been carrying. I talk here in terms of all your
open centres. You will have taken in so much stuff from other people but oh
what a wise projector you will grow up to be. Please trust that you have
youth on your side. Human Design is not about changing yourself it is about
accepting your own uniqueness. You are unique and there is no one else like
you.

You are someone who is here to investigate, to create a strong foundation so
you can then feel secure, yet you are always going to have things bump into
you. It is how people will come into your life. They will just turn up
sometimes giving you the biggest surprise, a shock maybe. You will be
looking down at the ground (metaphorically speaking) and then suddenly
something or someone will be there. Life hopefully will always surprise you
as you surprise and shock others. Let go of the expectations and thinking
that if you do x you will get y and z as and out come you may get n, q and
b. The experiential way is important for you. And your going to live your
life differently to others. You may feel like an outsider sometimes and want
nothing more than to fit to belong to a community, to be accepted, but you
don't really like being told what to do by others. You are here to empower
others and you can do that by living your life as yourself. I would love
to see the beauty of the channel 25/51. It is a definition that fascinates
me. I read and listen to descriptions of it and still wonder. I wonder and
look on in awe of what that energy can do. The channel of Initiation and a
design of needing to be first (or not). It is a duality after all. There
are always two sides of a coin. Heads or Tails.

Just be careful what you promise people, what you say yes to, because you
will be expected to keep your promises.
You will be judged by your ability to come up with the goods. If you say
Yes, I'll do that and that and that and that and that and that then you will
experience exhaustion and maybe over whelming tiredness or physical illness.

To start your Human Design experiment try going out with friends or public
places on your own and see who speaks to you.
See what sort of people bump into you. Try not to initiate conversation
immediately. That maybe be hard as you are here to initiate others but
trust your projector aura is working its magic. You are a magical creature.
Let the magic work from within. It is the most difficult thing not to talk
so don't strain yourself if the words come, fine, try to watch the reaction
of the person you are talking to. If their eyes are glazing over, or they
are in a comatose state, then that is always a good time to back away and
retreat.

What do you love to do? What work did you do before meeting design and do
you miss that. Projectors have to have a different work ethic from the
energy sacral beings. Being a part-time consultant is the idea you are
aiming for. That does not mean that is what you have to be but you need to
work with the idea that less is more for a projector. An exhausted
projector is like trying to ride a bike (cycle) with a flat tyre. It's hard
work and very tiring and there are only so many times you can repair a
puncture.

Well that's all for now.
You can always contact me via this email forum (or privately).
And as you will see I have avoided the question: How do I know when the
Invitation is the right one?
You'll know when you know. They are all out there waiting for you: just
trust the process. Oh and stop thinking all mistakes are bad, learn to love
the trial and error process of your life. Mistakes and errors are the
bedrock of a foundation. You will be someone that knows what doesn't work.
We need you to do that job well.
Much Love Joanne.

Hope you understand what I have written. I am sure your English is much
better than my Swedish. I know two words: Sweden and Swedish. So feel free
to ask me questions if you have no idea what I am talking about.

-----Original Message-----
From: Petra Karsenbarg [mailto:petra.karsenbarg@swipnet.se]
Sent: 29 December 2005 10:44
To: HD Community Email Chat
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitation is the
right one?

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hi Joanne!

So happy to feel supported, my tears run again, even if my chart says I am
not an emotional being...?. I am born 11 januari 1969 in Stockholm, Sweden.

Petra

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Human By Design
Posts: 76
Joined: 2003-08-22
RE: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitation is the right

I love nothing more than a stuck projector.
It shows you have taken on the Human Design information.
STuck STuck STuck - It's the best place.
I will write again tomorrow - when I have had time to consider your life
information.
For me there is nothing worse than a projector who knows what they are
doing.
Love Joanne
Emotional 4/6 projector

-----Original Message-----
From: Petra Karsenbarg [mailto:petra.karsenbarg@swipnet.se]
Sent: 29 December 2005 00:26
To: hdcommunity@thefoco.com
Subject: [HDCommunity] How do I know when the invitaiton is the right
one?

--- HDCommunity Group ---
Hello!

Rather desperate I ask for your help. As the projector I am I try to wait
for the right invitation. How do I know when it is the right one?

Got a job offer six weeks ago and since then I am stuck... Everyone around
me says wow that¹s a great opportunity and a very interesting project, my
rational mind says yes it will solve the financial worries and maybe lead to
something where I feel connected to others in a creative process, my body
gets the old aches from burnouts before and my thoughts are going around and
around.

He wants me to go on my planned winter trip to the sun and come back and
start working in March. My traveling plans got stuck behind this decision
and I am just frozen in my apartment with it. Really don¹t know if I shall
go for it or not. Time goes and time left over for the journey gets shorter
and shorter. Stress.. ;-( Steels my power and wets my napkins with a lot of
tears. Decisions under pressure are no my favorite ones.

I know I cannot solve this decision by thinking, and I really don¹t know
how.

With a 1/3 profile. Not trusting my own inner voice (if I hear it) and very
used to trials and errors...Really tired of going there all the time. My
body cannot take many more burnouts... When my body now make me remember old
aches I don¹t know if it's just worries or if it's real warning signals...

What to do...

I am a projector with only G-center and heart defined. 1/3, single
definition: 25/51. What more do want to know? My invitation comes from a
manifesting generator. Who wants me to inspirer him in the visions around
building up a retreat/eco village. A half time job during at least one year.
For the rest undefined as so far, no land bought yet.

Help 1: don¹t like to get stuck here in Stockholm for that long time again,
so bored of this place and climate. Help 2: am not able to work alone again,
this was my burnout many times as the single person in my own company many
years, stuck in the project without a engine... Help 3: I have the feeling
that architecture is past time for me. Just not clear yet exactly what to do
instead. *Guiding people, healing, inspiring, art, beauty, dance, movement
and circle work... Setting up a retreat place in a nice climate where the
sun shines and people worry les and smiles in the streets.* Big dreams...
How to start? Or just to wait for the invitation??? Which is the right one?

Also wonder if there is someone in Stockholm (Sweden) doing readings???
Would be glad to get a reading. Didn¹t have one yet. Found about about my
chart myself through internet, am interested to get some more specific
details about how I can live to get a nicer flow in life...

A long letter with big questions from a confused stuck Projector.

Petra

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superprojector
Posts: 46
Joined: 2007-01-16
superprojector

I do not think you are stuck.

generators get stuck.

You are lost and afraid and wanting to know the answer before you engage in the process.

That's not what I would called "stuck". But OK you call it the way you want.

If your process is the "experiential" (which I believe to be life itself) you will have to go down the road of life in order to learn to be a projector. I 've got the suspicion that with that 3 in your profile you have lots of learning to do with respect to being a projector.

I believe it maight be for you about learning your own process, as so many people have suggested here for you.


64pluto
Posts: 44
Joined: 2007-04-10
more waiting

oops just getting used to the forum layout


64pluto
Posts: 44
Joined: 2007-04-10
more waiting

maybe others call it stuck

maybe its -- nowhere to go -- at the moment

hi

another projector here

2/4 right angle - personal desiny [ now there's a contradiction]

hermit opportunist - there's another

hmmmm

as a i ching junky for some time before meeting HD [about a yr ago] i was already aware of the waiting waiting waiting theme that seemed to be taking hold at the time [and as a pluto type getting pluto squared]

some thoughts -- i once found myself going to the phone [impulse] to offer my services to someone - and stopped myself -- the invitation came a month or two later ? ? ? what was that about?

but i digress

it seemed Joanne pointed to some apparent contradictions

and thats always the thing that gets me -

ie -- as projectors we're here to guide others to get where they are going

[i think of abe lincoln - who tried to guide the us civil war - tho i'm not sure he was a projector]

yet as a personal destiny type not here as part of the big plan... why would i be here to guide others?
ours is not to reason why?

waiting waiting waiting

how do others get to recognise u ever if you are hermitting ? ? ?

i can understand how this works as the wild man on the hill scenario -
but in a capitalist society ?

being old enough to laugh before getting to the bitterness factor, i don't have a problem doing a bit of stirring to kill time

penetration cross?

yet i guess we all come here to find better ways to fit into "the machine" or to interact with it harmoniously - or get the validation to walk away from it...?

sorry i'm waxing lyrical

back to my contradictions

how does a hermit give ones team the opportunity to find him?

what waiting activities are acceptable?

is creating a blog, say, to give others the opportunity to recognise you a self-initiating no-no?

how does waiting pay the bills?

being into tai chi and observing the weather [eg in a sailing context]

i understand the call and response, sense and respond, don't over-commit etc, lessons and see them in a practical context

as an opportunist [tho i hate unfair exploitation of people] must i learn to see the opportunity as the invite

or is it back to basics

trust the spleen circuit -- tho this is more about survival - does it also cover "thriving"

it seems to me tribal life fits projectors better than the present capitalist meritocrasy -- or am i being to defeatist ?

thanx for the time -- just thought i'd put a stick in the ground and see what came of it

back to waiting ;-)

any lists of famous projectors who got it right?

i can see as a doctor - responding to the patients condition or acupuncture literally guiding the patients energy

but when does a university invite someone to study medicine?

is initiating ones education acceptible? -- but then the risk of overcommitment ?
does it require a group of [tribal] elders who recognise you and "suggest" areas of carrer exploration

how does a projector make all this philosophy real in the present socio economic backdrop?


superprojector
Posts: 46
Joined: 2007-01-16
for 64pluto

I must say I love your entry...
Of course all of us projectors deal with this contradiction of being a projector in a capitalistic place....specialy when we are heremits.
let me tell you dear, I am a 2/4 projector also....so nice to meet you!

let me say just few things:
-I do not believe HD to be a tool to avoid our unpleasant experiences.
-I believe very few of us (if at all!!!) to be capable of creating life and being capable of evolving, by means of pleasant-experiences-only.

So, the rejection of others, the not-being-recognised for projectors, as well as the frustration of generators etc etc, are tools for evolution.
So, no, we can hardly go through life at this stage of evolution and create only positive experiences.
Be honest.
Just have a look around at others folks and at yourself, for that matter.

The believe of having a life devoided of pain is a very western one. The believe of pain as a useless thing is also very western.
The truth is that's not real.
No, I do not like pain and I am not masoquistic either. That's why I learn (like hell!!) from my mistakes....specially from the painful ones.

Having said that, let me say something else. HD is a fantastic tool because it has helped me make lot of sense of my unpleasant experiences.
These "bad" expereinces do not overwhelm me any longer because by now I just take them as sign posts....to hell with the rest of the world.

How do the team know of you when you are heremiting?

I believe that meanwhile you (as a heremit) need to work and need to be "on-the-move" it is because you are finding out what it is that you came here to do.

Let me write it again:
Being a heremit and having to work every day means to me that you are still finding out what it is that you came here to do.

How do you find that out?
By knowing what it is you do-not-need-to-be-doing.
Funny?
Not at all, but since nobody is going to spell for you what it is you came here to do, the only way you have to find that out is by heating yourself aginst those things which are not for you.
You'll make sense of them.


lisalu
Posts: 7
Joined: 2007-05-04
hermit opportunist???

i relate to your post 64pluto


64pluto
Posts: 44
Joined: 2007-04-10
yup

i have just been accused of sabotaing my success by an idiot* who wants to introduce me to more idiots and give my the job of doing the work to make them look good

i know this is NOT the opportunity i am looking for

if it was he would UNDERSTAND where i am coming from

take pride in the fact that you really do understand the situation better than the people around you

its sometimes a lonely feeling

but its safer -- stay out of the kitchen and write recipe books, let others take the heat othe fire... if you don't they will knock you into the fire in their clumsy ness

you'll get accused of arrogance but you won't be their to get trampled in the stampede... but they are really the arrogant ones because they are prepared to hurt you by not knowing you

you would never do this to them

others may use politicing and hobbnobing and back scratching for their social climbing road to success - ours is not that road

*edit - ive left this in its raw form... it's been one of those weeks - big transit t sqaure over my natal t sqaure

idiot is a strong word - its not quite semantically corect
but this person seems to EXPECT me to wave magic fairy dust and make something happen

i guess it's like being TOLD as opposed to being asked with liberal amounts of his own emotive persuasion techniques, no practical insight into the realities of the cause and effect practicalities of the situation

the temptation is to want to sort it out

but i will firmly "leave it with them"