[HDCommunity] HDCommunity Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8- Self Projected Authority - Thanks Randy and Janice

christines
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Thanks Randy for your great description of what self projected authority is.
Your comments on a strong sense of identity are very true and it is
important to recognize him. I notice that what upsets him most is when he
feels he stands for something and he thinks that we don't see that. It is
unfortunate that at only 14 he feels bullet proof and feels his identity is
in question if we are not keen on allowing boundaries more suitable for a 18
year old. No matter how important his identity is his safety is also
paramount so the struggle goes on. It was great to hear about the
cockiness though and your description of talking is also helpful - similar
to a reflector and mental projector. I wonder why there isn't much material
on this in the LYD material. Are these types of authority quite rare?
Trust us to have both in the one family!

Sorry that you felt a bit slighted by my lack on immediate reply. It wasn't
from lack of appreciation, just my process of mulling and thinking before I
knew what I wanted to say. You and others have been very generous in
sharing your knowledge on this. Your support is very much appreciated from
this very far corner of the world....isn't the internet great. Without it I
would be totally cut off from the HD world.

Thanks Janice also for your input. Your reply prompted several others and
was very helpful too. It is the first time I have used this forum so it was
nice to get something back in answer to my query.

Regards

Christine

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Hi, Genoa. Your response below has me intrigued. So I need to be sure that I

know what you mean.

Are you referring to where I explain how the young self-projected person
sometimes appears to be too self centered, and therefore possibly viewed as
overly confident or cocky when you say that this discussion seems to always
take place within the non-sacral beings' conditioning by Generators? This
being because the appearance to which I am referring would be from the
perspective of Generators? Because in my mind, it always is to some degree.

This begs for more discussion.

Regards,
Randy Coleman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Genoa Bliven"
To: "HD Community Email Chat"
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] RE: HDCommunity Digest, Self Projected Authority

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Dear Randy,
> I thought our explanation was great. Very clear and helpful.
> At the same time I am always struck by how the discussions of non-
> sacral beings seems to always take place within their conditioning by
> Generators. This becomes particularly obvious when the discussion turns
> to Projector strategy and authority and their struggle to know what is
> best for them. That entire concern takes place entirely within
> conditioning.
> Yours,
> Genoa
>
>
> On May 7, 2006, at 12:38 PM, jrandalc wrote:
>
>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>> Thank you, Kip.
>>
>> It's always interesting to me that when I send an overview like that,
>> the one that is asking for it rarely responds. I get a little bit of a
>> laugh at myself because it always brings out my "projectorness." It also

>> makes me wonder whether I am responding to a correct invitation or not.
>>
>> Thanks, again.
>> Randy
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "kip winsett"
>> To: "HD Community Email Chat"
>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 7:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] RE: HDCommunity Digest, Self Projected
>> Authority
>>
>>
>>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>> This one of the better pragmatic desciptions I've read about self
>>> projected authority.
>>>
>>> I'm sometimes surprised that people in HD, when they talk about
>>> projectors, get so caught up in the waiting, invitation, recognition
>>> thing. I want to say "hey think about the word itself."
>>>
>>> Anyway, nice job.
>>>
>>> kip
>>>
>>> jrandalc wrote:
>>>
>>>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>>> Christine:
>>>>
>>>> When you asked for input on self-projected authority it was a very
>>>> open ended question and an answer could become quite involved, so I
>>>> hoped that some others may take a crack at helping you with some input

>>>> on how to talk to your self-projected child. Janice, of course, passed

>>>> on some good information, but I don't want you to think that self
>>>> authority itself is nebulous. It seems to be anything but. What is
>>>> nebulous at times is for this type of projector to have to explain why

>>>> or how they do some things. They do them because that is what their
>>>> self needs them to do. This will include mistakes.
>>>>
>>>> Your son has a strong identity, let him have that and he will deeply
>>>> appreciate it. In other words, sometimes he seems almost overly self
>>>> confident and cocky. Just know that a strong sense of identity is
>>>> absolutely paramount for him, so you will have to give him a little
>>>> extra space in this regard. If he doesn't feel that sort of
>>>> recognition, he'll begin to demand it in some form or another and the
>>>> cockiness and/or arrogant sort of appearance will grow dramatically.
>>>> If you can convince him that you appreciate him for who he is and that

>>>> he doesn't have anything to prove, you will begin to see that he is
>>>> not any of that stuff. In fact, as a reflector you may have already
>>>> picked up on this and he may not be taking this path at all. It would
>>>> be my guess that being a reflector may be a real advantage for you
>>>> here. You are here to understand all of this through your openness.
>>>>
>>>> When your son is faced with a decision that he considers difficult,
>>>> tell him to talk about it. As he talks about his dilemma with
>>>> different people each of their auras will give whatever he is saying a

>>>> little bit of a different flavor and it is through these different
>>>> auras that the correct decision will come to him. Be sure that he
>>>> understands that talking about something doesn't mean that the others
>>>> need to give their opinions. They can say what they want, but what he
>>>> is really after is how he feels as talks to them. Whether they say
>>>> something is a good or bad idea is not the point. It's the fact that
>>>> he needs to talk to other people if he is in a dilemma. He'll
>>>> understand this when you explain it to him.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps you. You may also want to pay for a family reading
>>>> if you feel that you need more in this regard.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Randy Coleman
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Spicer"
>>>>
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [HDCommunity] RE: HDCommunity Digest, Self Projected
>>>> Authority
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>>>> Thanks Janice for this information. From a practical perspective I'm
>>>>> reflecting on what this might mean during the deconditioning process
>>>>> and
>>>>> also how to support and help my son who is only 14 years old and will

>>>>> be
>>>>> facing all sorts of important decisions in the next few years (under
>>>>> lots of
>>>>> peer pressure already). If his authority is so nebulous then what
>>>>> advice
>>>>> can I give him about how to make decisions and or how can I best
>>>>> support him
>>>>> to listen to what is right for him? Perhaps colour is very important?

>>>>> Ie
>>>>> the correct motivation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Christine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> 1. RE: Self Projected Authority (Janice Peterson)
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>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:04:31 -0500
>>>>> From: "Janice Peterson"
>>>>> Subject: RE: [HDCommunity] Self Projected Authority
>>>>> To: "'HD Community Email Chat'"
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>>>>>
>>>>> The following is from the Rave Cartography:
>>>>>
>>>>> Self authority is really just an auto-pilot system. People with self
>>>>> authority do not have to wait out the emotional wave or listen for a
>>>>> splenic
>>>>> voice that only speaks once, or listen to a sacral voice, or need the

>>>>> drive
>>>>> of ego.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are people who have to do only one thing: What they do. This is

>>>>> the
>>>>> monopole driving the person. The self authority has only to sit in
>>>>> the
>>>>> vehicle and let the driver do the driving.
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't even have to think about it. Typically, when questioned
>>>>> about a
>>>>> decision they've made they may have many thoughts to justify the
>>>>> decision -
>>>>> but the thoughts didn't make the decision. On the other hand they may

>>>>> have
>>>>> no thoughts about it at all and when asked will I say "I don't know,
>>>>> it was
>>>>> just the right thing to do". It's very nebulous.
>>>>>
>>>>> Much like the hummingbirds that migrate thousand of miles, self
>>>>> authority is
>>>>> tuned into something that you can't really put a finger on. These
>>>>> hummingbirds have to find enough flowers along the way to survive and

>>>>> the
>>>>> time when those flowers bloom changes from year to year. Somehow the
>>>>> hummingbirds know from year to year just when to set off. Somehow
>>>>> they just
>>>>> know how to get where they are going.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Christine Spicer [mailto:christinespicer@xtra.co.nz]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 5:54 PM
>>>>> To: hdcommunity@thefoco.com
>>>>> Subject: [HDCommunity] RE: HDCommunity Digest, Vol 9, Issue 11
>>>>>
>>>>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>>>> Hi Tania
>>>>>
>>>>> Re Self Projected Projector
>>>>>
>>>>> I am also one of the only people interested in Human Design in my
>>>>> country -
>>>>> New Zealand. I noticed that you have self projected authority. I am

>>>>> very
>>>>> interested in what this means as I have a projector son who is also
>>>>> self
>>>>> projected and have not found anything written about this form of
>>>>> authority
>>>>> yet. Do you know much about this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Christine Spicer Reflector 6/2
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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[HDCommunity] Self Projected Authority - Part II

You know, it's kind of funny how these things work. My spam filter kicked
out yours and Genoa's responses to this and I had to dig them up from the
server's hundreds of other junk emails in order to read them. This is why I
changed the posting subject. Again, so strange.

Another thing is that I forgot probably the most important thing about
self-projected authority. It goes like this; When they speak in the moment,
they speak their truth. Always listen to what your son says when he is just
blurting something out of his mouth. This will give you an exact insight
into what he really feels at that moment. Be prepared, though. As you know,
he can say some fairly incredible things, especially when upset. But this
speaks volumes about he really feels at that moment. So, the next time you
are speaking with your son and he seems to be responding spontaneously, make
a mental note. Also when he says some really off the wall type things when
he is mad, know that he means them at that moment. Though he will probably
want to take some things that he says back later, you get to understand what
he truly felt in that moment.

I have two daughters, one a self-projected 15 year old and the other a
younger emotional generator. This insight helps us to understand that when
our 15 year old blurts out something either just off the cuff, or when she
is upset, we know that in that moment that is exactly what she really feels.
On the other hand, our little emotional generator can say some fairly wild
things, especially if she's down about something. But we know that that is
just her mood speaking and she may not actually mean any of it. The contrast
between the two is amazing.

Randy Coleman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christine Spicer"
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] HDCommunity Digest, Vol 10,Issue 8- Self
Projected Authority - Thanks Randy and Janice

> --- HDCommunity Group ---
> Thanks Randy for your great description of what self projected authority
> is.
> Your comments on a strong sense of identity are very true and it is
> important to recognize him. I notice that what upsets him most is when he
> feels he stands for something and he thinks that we don't see that. It is
> unfortunate that at only 14 he feels bullet proof and feels his identity
> is
> in question if we are not keen on allowing boundaries more suitable for a
> 18
> year old. No matter how important his identity is his safety is also
> paramount so the struggle goes on. It was great to hear about the
> cockiness though and your description of talking is also helpful - similar
> to a reflector and mental projector. I wonder why there isn't much
> material
> on this in the LYD material. Are these types of authority quite rare?
> Trust us to have both in the one family!
>
> Sorry that you felt a bit slighted by my lack on immediate reply. It
> wasn't
> from lack of appreciation, just my process of mulling and thinking before
> I
> knew what I wanted to say. You and others have been very generous in
> sharing your knowledge on this. Your support is very much appreciated
> from
> this very far corner of the world....isn't the internet great. Without it
> I
> would be totally cut off from the HD world.
>
> Thanks Janice also for your input. Your reply prompted several others and
> was very helpful too. It is the first time I have used this forum so it
> was
> nice to get something back in answer to my query.
>
> Regards
>
> Christine
>
>>
>> On May 7, 2006, at 12:38 PM, jrandalc wrote:
>>
>>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>> Thank you, Kip.
>>>
>>> It's always interesting to me that when I send an overview like that,
>>> the one that is asking for it rarely responds. I get a little bit of a
>>> laugh at myself because it always brings out my "projectorness." It
>>> also
>
>>> makes me wonder whether I am responding to a correct invitation or not.
>>>
>>> Thanks, again.
>>> Randy
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "kip winsett"
>>> To: "HD Community Email Chat"
>>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 7:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [HDCommunity] RE: HDCommunity Digest, Self Projected
>>> Authority
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>>> This one of the better pragmatic desciptions I've read about self
>>>> projected authority.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sometimes surprised that people in HD, when they talk about
>>>> projectors, get so caught up in the waiting, invitation, recognition
>>>> thing. I want to say "hey think about the word itself."
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, nice job.
>>>>
>>>> kip
>>>>
>>>> jrandalc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>>>> Christine:
>>>>>
>>>>> When you asked for input on self-projected authority it was a very
>>>>> open ended question and an answer could become quite involved, so I
>>>>> hoped that some others may take a crack at helping you with some
>>>>> input
>
>>>>> on how to talk to your self-projected child. Janice, of course,
>>>>> passed
>
>>>>> on some good information, but I don't want you to think that self
>>>>> authority itself is nebulous. It seems to be anything but. What is
>>>>> nebulous at times is for this type of projector to have to explain
>>>>> why
>
>>>>> or how they do some things. They do them because that is what their
>>>>> self needs them to do. This will include mistakes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your son has a strong identity, let him have that and he will deeply
>>>>> appreciate it. In other words, sometimes he seems almost overly self
>>>>> confident and cocky. Just know that a strong sense of identity is
>>>>> absolutely paramount for him, so you will have to give him a little
>>>>> extra space in this regard. If he doesn't feel that sort of
>>>>> recognition, he'll begin to demand it in some form or another and the
>>>>> cockiness and/or arrogant sort of appearance will grow dramatically.
>>>>> If you can convince him that you appreciate him for who he is and
>>>>> that
>
>>>>> he doesn't have anything to prove, you will begin to see that he is
>>>>> not any of that stuff. In fact, as a reflector you may have already
>>>>> picked up on this and he may not be taking this path at all. It would
>>>>> be my guess that being a reflector may be a real advantage for you
>>>>> here. You are here to understand all of this through your openness.
>>>>>
>>>>> When your son is faced with a decision that he considers difficult,
>>>>> tell him to talk about it. As he talks about his dilemma with
>>>>> different people each of their auras will give whatever he is saying
>>>>> a
>
>>>>> little bit of a different flavor and it is through these different
>>>>> auras that the correct decision will come to him. Be sure that he
>>>>> understands that talking about something doesn't mean that the others
>>>>> need to give their opinions. They can say what they want, but what he
>>>>> is really after is how he feels as talks to them. Whether they say
>>>>> something is a good or bad idea is not the point. It's the fact that
>>>>> he needs to talk to other people if he is in a dilemma. He'll
>>>>> understand this when you explain it to him.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps you. You may also want to pay for a family reading
>>>>> if you feel that you need more in this regard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Randy Coleman
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Spicer"
>>>>>
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:27 PM
>>>>> Subject: [HDCommunity] RE: HDCommunity Digest, Self Projected
>>>>> Authority
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --- HDCommunity Group ---
>>>>>> Thanks Janice for this information. From a practical perspective
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> reflecting on what this might mean during the deconditioning process
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> also how to support and help my son who is only 14 years old and
>>>>>> will
>
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> facing all sorts of important decisions in the next few years (under
>>>>>> lots of
>>>>>> peer pressure already). If his authority is so nebulous then what
>>>>>> advice
>>>>>> can I give him about how to make decisions and or how can I best
>>>>>> support him
>>>>>> to listen to what is right for him? Perhaps colour is very
>>>>>> important?
>
>>>>>> Ie
>>>>>> the correct motivation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christine
>>>>>>

Randy